Nomadism

[Tenacity]

What are your thoughts on nomadism?

 

[moody]

Nomads aren't usually accepted because people don't understand them. The idealistic part of me has a tendency to romanticism nomadism. It sounds invigorating to live free of many physical confines we lock ourselves in with. I can't imagine myself staying in one place the duration of my live, never have. If you have a strong social support with you, I think a nomadic life would build someone up to be a more self-confident, self-reliable individual who can think very clearly for themselves. The Jewish people are example of community/identity outside of the physical land you live on. There are Jewish people that excel in every field because of this unconditional support network they were raised with. Yet, I know that I would have a hard time re-routing my priorities in life, if forced to live a nomadic life.

The roma people are the most well-know group of nomads, and they are treated very badly everywhere. I read an artical once written by a women who was romani and grew up nomadic with her family. She mentioned that most romani are denied any citizenship or residency they apply for, and she had to be extraordinarily persistent with professionals to be able to go to college. I can't find the article now, but here's a different article written about the racism romani face: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/opinion/global-agenda-magazine-the-gypsy-in-me.html

 

[Rebis]

The actual term for barbarism/barbaros originated from the greeks, they used it to define people of the hills, ones that travelled and didn't belong to civilization. These people were ridiculed for not integrating into society, ostracized and persecuted. Nomads are just following their own path, it is only people with a weak mind that persecutes others for not aligning with their own beliefs.

I wrote a poem about this idea once, the battle between conforming to society or living in solitude:

Tighty reserved in my fortress of solitude
The event horizon in my peripheral
Should I embrace this prelude?
Or reject societies' referral?

The people of the hills
Barbarians, goats, unbranded by the cultured sigil
A kingdom in our grasp,
besieged by none.
A kingdom that offers tranquility
At the price of one
The few cubic centrimetres known as the brain,
That is the true solemn reign.

Nomads have decided the life they want to live instead of letting other's decide for them. I respect that for the most part. There's a lot of gypsies in my country (not romanian) I've always been interested in talking to them, they talk differently, express themselves rather bluntly and make the customer exchange more individualized and fun. Though admittedly they are hated by a lot, specifically irish gypsies rarely clean up after them and they make a mess. It's like they dumped a trash bag onto the table and the ground below, I cleaned the tables of these people for ages.

The ones over here also have a custom known as bare knuckle boxing, where they box each other on the streets across ireland. They usually put up big stakes between gypsy families in the ballpark of £10,000, they spend a lot of money on luxurious weddings and such.

 

[sushi]

we all have nomadism deep inside our genes, but today our homes and place of work are fixed in a certain location due to limitation of money, income and movement.

 

[Kormak]

The roma people are the most well-know group of nomads, and they are treated very badly everywhere. I read an artical once written by a women who was romani and grew up nomadic with her family. She mentioned that most romani are denied any citizenship or residency they apply for, and she had to be extraordinarily persistent with professionals to be able to go to college. I can't find the article now, but here's a different article written about the racism romani face: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/opinion/global-agenda-magazine-the-gypsy-in-me.html

Lol, everyone hates them, even westerners. Everywhere they go. It is totally not their fault tho. It is not like most Roma smell, don't bathe, live in ghettos, leave trash everywhere they go, they totally don't have vast thieving and begging networks throughout the EU. they totally don't force mariage to cousins at age 14. They are totally not involved in robbing trucks & sex trafficking. Xd they don't send ransomware online through mail and never hack ATMs, nor do they cheat charitable naive westerners for free stuff in the form of aide. ^^ and they sure as hell never bash ppl's skulls in with a shovel, don't knife ppl and absolutely follow the law in territory disputes across eastern Europe.

XD they are opressed minorities, plz give them your money lmao. Save them from evil eastern racists. Easterners totally only hate them because of race lmao.
Why are westerners such chumps?

We have tried everything from free housing to free school and university, welfare programs, even teaching their own language in school \o/ ,did it work, did they integrate? Nope. ^^ I hope they all migrate to the west, they are your problem now. Plz proceed with the self-flagellating naivete.

I grew up with Roma, I went to school with Roma. We played with them on the street. My neighbors are Roma. Yours can be as well :P plz import hem away from me.

 

[moody]

The roma people are the most well-know group of nomads, and they are treated very badly everywhere. I read an artical once written by a women who was romani and grew up nomadic with her family. She mentioned that most romani are denied any citizenship or residency they apply for, and she had to be extraordinarily persistent with professionals to be able to go to college. I can't find the article now, but here's a different article written about the racism romani face: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/opinion/global-agenda-magazine-the-gypsy-in-me.html

Lol, everyone hates them, even westerners. Everywhere they go. It is totally not their fault tho. It is not like most Roma smell, don't bathe, live in ghettos, leave trash everywhere they go, they totally don't have vast thieving and begging networks throughout the EU. they totally don't force mariage to cousins at age 14. They are totally not involved in robbing trucks & sex trafficking. Xd they don't send ransomware online through mail and never hack ATMs, nor do they cheat charitable naive westerners for free stuff in the form of aide. ^^ and they sure as hell never bash ppl's skulls in with a shovel, don't knife ppl and absolutely follow the law in territory disputes across eastern Europe.

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XD they are opressed minorities, plz give them your money lmao. Save them from evil eastern racists. Easterners totally only hate them because of race lmao.
Why are westerners such chumps?

We have tried everything from free housing to free school and university, welfare programs, even teaching their own language in school \o/ ,did it work, did they integrate? Nope. ^^ I hope they all migrate to the west, they are your problem now. Plz proceed with the self-flagellating naivete.

I grew up with Roma, I went to school with Roma. We played with them on the street. My neighbors are Roma. Yours can be as well :P plz import hem away from me.

In my post, I was abstracting nomadism from any actual examples that exist today, and then only used the roma for an example of why I'd not want to be nomadic. I apologize if I accidentally turned it into a "poor underrepresented people" message. You're right, I'm very ignorant about the real social issues surrounding them. Being "holier than thou," or "wiser" defiantly was not my intention. The most I know is that gypsy is a derogatory term, but most American's I've met don't know that much, or are consciously aware of their existence.

I know you were only making your point, but I have to say, I don't think there would be any way a nomadic group would voluntarily live in the US....there are way less social programs, and everything is very far apart. Free housing and free school doesn't exist for Americans, let alone non-Americans, nor do we accommodate very well for anyone who speaks a foriegn language. It would be extremely hypocritical of me to target anyone in Europe for institutionalized racism.

 

[Rebis]

The roma people are the most well-know group of nomads, and they are treated very badly everywhere. I read an artical once written by a women who was romani and grew up nomadic with her family. She mentioned that most romani are denied any citizenship or residency they apply for, and she had to be extraordinarily persistent with professionals to be able to go to college. I can't find the article now, but here's a different article written about the racism romani face: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/opinion/global-agenda-magazine-the-gypsy-in-me.html

Lol, everyone hates them, even westerners. Everywhere they go. It is totally not their fault tho. It is not like most Roma smell, don't bathe, live in ghettos, leave trash everywhere they go, they totally don't have vast thieving and begging networks throughout the EU. they totally don't force mariage to cousins at age 14. They are totally not involved in robbing trucks & sex trafficking. Xd they don't send ransomware online through mail and never hack ATMs, nor do they cheat charitable naive westerners for free stuff in the form of aide. ^^ and they sure as hell never bash ppl's skulls in with a shovel, don't knife ppl and absolutely follow the law in territory disputes across eastern Europe.

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XD they are opressed minorities, plz give them your money lmao. Save them from evil eastern racists. Easterners totally only hate them because of race lmao.
Why are westerners such chumps?

We have tried everything from free housing to free school and university, welfare programs, even teaching their own language in school \o/ ,did it work, did they integrate? Nope. ^^ I hope they all migrate to the west, they are your problem now. Plz proceed with the self-flagellating naivete.

I grew up with Roma, I went to school with Roma. We played with them on the street. My neighbors are Roma. Yours can be as well :P plz import hem away from me.

Had experiences with romanian gypsies, one mother got her kid to steal money from our house when she was seeing my sister. They're outside clubs begging for money, selling roses to romantics and pestering money for playing songs of their country. Sometimes I comply because I'm human, I wanted to give an old guy £2 and he got angry because it wasn't enough to buy a chicken dinner from a mid-price takeaway across the road. He mumbled in the end as if he had lost his voice, which was strange given he was shouting at people passing on the street.

The country I'm in isn't really racially diverse they aren't taken lightly by anyone, people have forced them out of their houses and neighbours, I'd say out of all minorities they're probably oppressed the most but it isn't proportional to their actions in this country. They probably have an easier time in mainland europe.

Irish gypsies are big scammers too, all types of crazy plots like sending gardeners around houses to scope the area for goods to rob. Mainly the back gardens as they can throw stuff into their van while people are away. Prejudice plays an element in this: They make their money through self-employment, I won't blame them for making an economical decision.

 

[washti]

and for all my life i thought all they can do is play accordion in trams. badly. i'm educated now. thanks.

there is a gypsy music festival in poland every year, transmitted by national TV~ 2 mln ppl watch it (not me tho, it's for oldd folks, ew)
+ i remember we read papusha poems on classes. i liked them. (me not racisti!)

 

[Tenacity]

I wasn’t aware of the negative connotations within nomadism, so this is interesting. Didn’t realize there were huge prevalent groups either.

To me it had seemed that if you willingly chose the culture of being nomadic while maintaining self-efficacy, that it was a means to explore the world and travel. Now I’m wondering if the way some Americans use the term nomadic leans towards misuse. I mean, it’s not that hard to instead say something like “I’m traveling to different places in the world”.

But like @moody mentioned, being nomadic in the US ends up being pretty romanticized for most people. And I have never seen the descriptions mentioned here in real life.

 

[Tenacity]

I wrote a poem about this idea once, the battle between conforming to society or living in solitude:

Tighty reserved in my fortress of solitude
The event horizon in my peripheral
Should I embrace this prelude?
Or reject societies' referral?

The people of the hills
Barbarians, goats, unbranded by the cultured sigil
A kingdom in our grasp,
besieged by none.
A kingdom that offers tranquility
At the price of one
The few cubic centrimetres known as the brain,
That is the true solemn reign.

Nice poem

 

[Rebis]

I wasn’t aware of the negative connotations within nomadism, so this is interesting. Didn’t realize there were huge prevalent groups either.

To me it had seemed that if you willingly chose the culture of being nomadic while maintaining self-efficacy, that it was a means to explore the world and travel. Now I’m wondering if the way some Americans use the term nomadic leans towards misuse. I mean, it’s not that hard to instead say something like “I’m traveling to different places in the world”.

But like @moody mentioned, being nomadic in the US ends up being pretty romanticized for most people. And I have never seen the descriptions mentioned here in real life.

It seems american nomadism doesn't comprise of family units like romanian and irish gypsies, I think that lends to the romanticization because the lack of primary socialization into a culture. It seems these people have all moved from modern civilization to vagobonds so their drifting is genuine, no socialized behaviour present.

I'd take a slice at digital nomadism if there was a few more technological evolutions. If only I could fast forward 20 years into the ideal futuristic environment.

 

[Rebis]

Nice poem

I wrote a lot of poems in a period of like 3 weeks and just didn't go back.

I have a track record of doing this, I couldn't even write a poem now if I tried. No emotional intensity for it.

 

[Tenacity]

I wrote a lot of poems in a period of like 3 weeks and just didn't go back.

I have a track record of doing this, I couldn't even write a poem now if I tried. No emotional intensity for it.

I feel you. I'm emotionally blank lately - sometimes I'd journal to myself but can't imagine myself doing that now.

I'd take a slice at digital nomadism if there was a few more technological evolutions. If only I could fast forward 20 years into the ideal futuristic environment.

How ideal is ideal?

 

[Kormak]

I know you were only making your point, but I have to say, I don't think there would be any way a nomadic group would voluntarily live in the US....there are way less social programs, and everything is very far apart. Free housing and free school doesn't exist for Americans, let alone non-Americans, nor do we accommodate very well for anyone who speaks a foriegn language. It would be extremely hypocritical of me to target anyone in Europe for institutionalized racism.

You'd be surprised. They don't really need welfare. They are eligible for welfare because most do not have legal jobs and many are poor, but you'll see some of them build literal palaces and buy Audis, BMWs and other luxury cars, sometimes several, all that without having a job or occupation... while others send their kids out to beg in the cold instead of sending them to school. The rich ones own the thieving/begging network, the poor one's are their "employees" and they take care of their employees. Their culture is strange. They make many kids to get welfare from them, to then send them to beg and steal. I know my neighbor receives trucks of aide from Holland through the church, which they sell here for money shrug.

They would have the opportunity to become educated, to work, bathe e_e and move up in society, every right is there... they just don't

Had experiences with romanian gypsies, one mother got her kid to steal money from our house when she was seeing my sister. They're outside clubs begging for money, selling roses to romantics and pestering money for playing songs of their country. Sometimes I comply because I'm human, I wanted to give an old guy £2 and he got angry because it wasn't enough to buy a chicken dinner from a mid-price takeaway across the road. He mumbled in the end as if he had lost his voice, which was strange given he was shouting at people passing on the street.

The country I'm in isn't really racially diverse they aren't taken lightly by anyone, people have forced them out of their houses and neighbours, I'd say out of all minorities they're probably oppressed the most but it isn't proportional to their actions in this country. They probably have an easier time in mainland europe.

Irish gypsies are big scammers too, all types of crazy plots like sending gardeners around houses to scope the area for goods to rob. Mainly the back gardens as they can throw stuff into their van while people are away. Prejudice plays an element in this: They make their money through self-employment, I won't blame them for making an economical decision.

They have specific scams they do. e_e don't fall for any of it, save your money. A gypsy family down the road from me has a crippled family member (common due to inbreeding), they drive the guy in ragged dirty clothes out in a BMW every day, I see him begging in the park uptown. His family is kinda rich tbh. Especially now that they have free access to western EU.

^^ the money you give to a beggar goes to his/her gypsy baron...

 

[moody]

It seems american nomadism doesn't comprise of family units like romanian and irish gypsies, I think that lends to the romanticization because the lack of primary socialization into a culture. It seems these people have all moved from modern civilization to vagobonds so their drifting is genuine, no socialized behaviour present.

We don't really have nomadic groups. Some parts of the east coast are different, but everything is so far apart here. Most places I grew up, I lived ~18 miles away from my school, ~20 miles away from a grocery store, or any restaurant. Neighbors were a few hundred yards away. Of course there are many Americans who can walk to school, but there are a great deal, like myself, who are fairly isolated from resources.

u'd be surprised. They don't really need welfare. They are eligible for welfare because most do not have legal jobs and many are poor, but you'll see some of them build literal palaces and buy Audis, BMWs and other luxury cars, sometimes several, all that without having a job or occupation... while others send their kids out to beg in the cold instead of sending them to school. The rich ones own the thieving/begging network, the poor one's are their "employees" and they take care of their employees. Their culture is strange. They make many kids to get welfare from them, to then send them to beg and steal. I know my neighbor receives trucks of aide from Holland through the church, which they sell here for money shrug.

They would have the opportunity to become educated, to work, bathe e_e and move up in society, every right is there... they just don't

Our infrastructural doesn't make stealing from individuals as easy. On the east coast there's enough walk-friendly zones for someone to probably be able to pick-pocket, but in the mid-west/west coast, everything is very far apart. Stores are separated from businesses, which are separated from neighborhoods, etc. You have to drive everywhere. There isn't a lot of side-walk, or pedestrian-friendly routes. There aren't people walking to do errands, because everything is too far away. Neighborhoods are pretty closed in, so it's very obvious if you don't belong there. In certain states, we're also allowed to shoot intruders, or anyone we ask to leave our property who refuses.. And a lot of people have guns and will exercise that "right." There are also our conservative hate groups who like to hate all new people...

Most of the crimes you mentioned happen here too, just more with individuals (as opposed to an ethnic group). There are people who "beg" as a job and become fabulously wealthy. Making people go out and beg for money is usually part of a human trafficking ring, I think. I know that pimps will make the girls they "employ" do this as well. In high school, I'm pretty sure I had a few classmates who got dragged in something like that. It's really sad.

Gangs here do similar things to what you mentioned, but not all gangs are part of the same ethnic identity. They do illegal money laundering, cleaning, selling and distributing drugs, and in often recruit kids from the families involved in elementary school, or middle school. It's a bigger problem in central and south America. It's why there are so many immigrants coming to the US from Mexico, Guatemala, Columbia, and El Salvador. I had friends in school who's families were running from being caught in the crossfire of the major cartels over there.

 

[moody]

But like @moody mentioned, being nomadic in the US ends up being pretty romanticized for most people. And I have never seen the descriptions mentioned here in real life.

I think this I because the closest thing we have to nomads are the pioneers, and/or cowboys of the “Wild West.” Both are heavily romanticized.

 

[sushi]

homeless people are modern day nomads