Rest in peace Charlie Kirk

[threeStepfourStep]

Not sure. If you wanted me to answer, considering that he was in college in Utah during the last US presidential election, it's mostly the case that he voted for Trump, if he had at all. However, the trans issue isn't under the camp of the right. The most likely case is that he saw Trump and Charlie Kirk as disconnected, (and perhaps his relationship with his roommate was something that developed more recently).

Utah's political mileu is something to comment as well, since it's Mormon state. The people who've come out of that state were Never-Trumpers, but they always voted Republican, hence why their grandmother and their family is purportedly Republican.

Again, he's 22 from a very homogenous state. It's most likely the case that he wasn't fully versed in the national conversation. I think the most simplistic answer is that he had sympathy for trans people (as he was actually living with one at the moment, for whatever reason, romantic or otherwise) and saw Charlie Kirk as someone who didn't fit into his worldview.

If I were to be incredibly crude, if Charlie Kirk were several notches down from how policymakers thought about politics, Tyler Robinson is probably some notches below Kirk.

Either way the politics is just noise. This isn't a left or right issue, it's just a tragedy.

To me it seems more personal rather than an indoctrination. Whew, this stuff is stressful.

 

[Hadoblado]

We disagree but that's okay. I see you as someone trying sincerely to understand even if we don't see things the same.

 

[fluffy]

I cannot shift through the noise but if he was 22 and he didn't have anything much of a foundational political philosophy then I am not sure if he was thinking in left vs right terms.

Certain issues can be seen as being part of a partisan groups system of belief but it's not always the case that all people finds those issues as being exclusive to left or right.

It's hard to see a motive that's not in the case just something that personally upset him and not to do with what usually tends to an agenda or goal the person has when motivated politically. If there was one we wouldn't have to wait a long time before we actually know?

 

[dr froyd]

jimmy kimmel's show canceled lmao

on his propaganda comedy show he said republicans have to admit that the killer was "one of them". I puked a little bit in my mouth when i heard that, but this is great news

 

[ZenRaiden]

I think it's pretty straightforward. He thought that Charlie Kirk was hateful towards trans people, so... he did what he did. He's 22.

Its only straightfoward if its true.
What is the truth, if we ever get to know it is important.

I am not sure what the media says right now is truth.

I hear all kinds of theories, from mossad killing him making this a professional hit, all the way to Charlie Kirk being alive still and faking his death to become martyr, and every theory inbetween.

All I mean to say is I don't believe any story right now.
They are highly politicized stories and everyone wants to win.
Truth is secondary to journalism in the West.
So I am probably going to be respectfully skeptical of even official investigation.

Given this was a clean shot from great distance, and the guy got away and then got caught in very unusual circumstances I am guessing this is not a crazy looney, but a pro hit and elaborate political action. I am not sure of the motive at all.
But the action was very smooth for someone his age. He had to have help and he had to be planning this for a good while now.

 

[threeStepfourStep]

The shot was taken 430 feet away (per NYT), and that equals 131 meters. In the military (when I was in it) I regularly shot 200 meter targets. Not all that difficult. Mind you the military in my country was mandatory and most guys who went in were able to take the 200 meter shots, so..

 

[Hadoblado]

I think there's a lot of obfuscating factors. Kash Patel can't be trusted (no evidence of Epstein trafficking to anyone other than himself? Really?!). He will say and do whatever Trump tells him to. Trump can't be trusted, he claimed it was left wing violence before the shooter was known. Social media can't be trusted for so many reasons. The media... you get the idea.

I'm not really buying all the conspiratorial narratives about this being more than a disturbed/radicalised individual. These are just less likely (although possible I guess).

Regarding the shooter's skill, he grew up hunting and the shot wasn't that crazy. In the context, it's harder because he's doing everything as fast as he can while trying not to be seen, but it's not crazy that he made the shot. It's not as if Kirk was zigzagging.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the neck isn't where I'd expect a trained assassin to aim for?

 

[ZenRaiden]

Him shooting into a crowd of people, being closer than necessary to kill someone points him not being a professional hit?
Him being slightly politically unhinged makes this less likely a professional hit?
I am not sure I agree with those kinds of reasons.
Him being a pro shooter also does not diminish this being a pro hit.
You got to look at this from Ti perspective.

Why be so prepared. Why having that route of escape. Why then he gets caught under circumstances he gets caught. Why the gun had to be handed over and assembled there.
Given the flimsy information I am not even sure they caught the right guy even to be honest.

 

[threeStepfourStep]

I think you should just read news from news organizations. I have no idea where you're getting your information from. BBC, the Guardian, NYTs, there are the places where you should be getting your facts from.

The kid knew Kirk was coming a week in advance. He had week to premeditate the murder.

 

[Hadoblado]

Raiden it's not clear who or what you're responding to. Can you make it more clear?