Self-Consiousness: Gone (or at least reduced tremendously)

[Milo]

In my last thread. I think I may have confused/mixed enlightenment with getting rid of one's self-consciousness. I have been dealing primarily with my own mind, so perhaps enlightenment just means getting rid of all your mental fog? I don't know.

I am thinking many of you guys are self-conscious just because you typed yourselves as introverts (if you typed yourself according to the cognitive functions then disregard this comment). So this is perhaps why some of you can relate to what I was saying and some of you are like "What the fuck? This kid is crazy!" Haha. Some of you have an acute sense of self-consciousness like I did and some of you may be more "others-conscious" where you focus most of your energy on the outside world.

Either way, I did this by just changing all of my focus towards the outside world and not over-thinking my own actions. Plus I added in the part where I don't use my past as something that defines who I am. My identity has now become undefined in that way--causing me to be free of feeling judged by others and myself.

You can also add in the part that your purpose really is to just live in the moment doing what it is you would like to do in the here and now. Basically if you want to own a house, then you just have that as your end goal and just do whatever it is you can to get that, then once you do that you just keep moving on doing the things you want like going on a vacation, or hanging out with friends, or starting a snowball fight. Anything!

This has made me a much more spontaneous and energetic person. I also have a feeling that I might be gaining weight a little easier because thinking does take up a lot of calories when done chronically. Oh, and of course I'm much happier, but my advice is to never try to make happiness your main goal. It's just a side-effect of doing what you want.

Okay, I really hope this makes much more sense.

 

[Milo]

Here is the thread I was referring to if you dare attempt to understand it. Haha
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=14735

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

*follows*

 

[Solitaire U.]

I'm my last thread.

This is a very interesting opening statement, considering the topic and what you're promoting in it.

 

[Milo]

Whoops. Fixed it!! haha

 

[Da Blob]

Well, yes, getting rid of self-consciousness can be a wonderful freedom.

However, it is most often a temporary fix, humans have tendency to center around self as a base-of-0perations.

One can be a bit more confident about the future if one begins to construct/program a new self to be conscious of - eventually. One that does not bind or confine like the previous version, Self 7.1...

 

[Milo]

Well, yes, getting rid of self-consciousness can be a wonderful freedom.

However, it is most often a temporary fix, humans have tendency to center around self as a base-of-0perations.

One can be a bit more confident about the future if one begins to construct/program a new self to be conscious of - eventually. One that does not bind or confine like the previous version, Self 7.1...

Have you gone about doing that? I had thought of that, but I was afraid it would just end up leading me into the same psychological traps.

 

[snafupants]

Plus I added in the part where I don't use my past as something that defines who I am. My identity has now become undefined in that way--causing me to be free of feeling judged by others and myself.

That's the most interesting part for me. I can't imagine any trauma sufferer ever being able to truly disconnect from the past but, for most applications, people undoubtedly limit their experiences and growth by the stories they chronically tell themselves. I'm this way so I shouldn't eat that, I shouldn't fuck her, I can't do that today. These stories hold people back. Typology itself is probably one of these self-limiting traps.

 

[Da Blob]

Have you gone about doing that? I had thought of that, but I was afraid it would just end up leading me into the same psychological traps.

Of course, I opted for the Christian Self. However, if one firsts redefines Humanity, then redefining one's human self as a member or subset of Humanity is an easier task.

One can pick up a text on Self and Identity, (Sage Pub has a good one) and examine the issues posed by the academics involved in the study of such, then form one's own theories...

http://www.sagepub.com/books/Book236682

 

[Milo]

That's the most interesting part for me. I can't imagine any trauma sufferer ever being able to truly disconnect from the past but, for most applications, people undoubtedly limit their experiences and growth by the stories they chronically tell themselves. I'm this way so I shouldn't eat that, I shouldn't fuck her, I can't do that today. These stories hold people back. Typology itself is probably one of these self-limiting traps.

Yeah, I see what you mean. It's just a matter of realizing that remembering the past is meaningless unless it has information you can use now. It is especially a burden when it is just a bad memory. I suppose reminiscing on good memories is okay, but one might get stuck back in the trap of reapplying one's past experiences to whom one is.

I'd just rather live in the moment. Of coarse I have a pretty concrete set of morals that I just automatically go by without even thinking about it. I really have no idea if this is the case for anyone else but me, but I have a feeling that most people do since it seems to be more of a genetic thing since I don't have to think about it.

 

[Milo]

Of course, I opted for the Christian Self. However, if one firsts redefines Humanity, then redefining one's human self as a member or subset of Humanity is an easier task.

One can pick up a text on Self and Identity, (Sage Pub has a good one) and examine the issues posed by the academics involved in the study of such, then form one's own theories...

http://www.sagepub.com/books/Book236682

If only I had found this before thinking about this for about 4 months straight to get the answer... Haha

Meh, oh well. The past isn't real anymore.

 

[Duxwing]

I like to reminisce on the past sometimes. The experience is much like a favorite childhood story-book being opened and read once more: the sweet, tender affection of puppy love, the wild woodland adventures with closest friends, the glorious achievements whose golden light still shines forth from mine eyes upon the world before me, telling me that there is no reason to give in until the blood pools in crimson lakes beneath my feet.

-Duxwing

 

[snafupants]

It's just a matter of realizing that remembering the past is meaningless unless it has information you can use now.

That's exactly how I use and espouse that particular philosophical nugget. When I advise people to let things go, provided those things are redundant or beguiling for the future, they laser this helpless look of incredulity to everyone and no one. Asking with their eyes - if it was that simple wouldn't I have done so already? I'm pretty sure they somehow disdain limpidity in emotional matters, namely because it highlights the irrationality and self-destruction of hanging onto baggage. I just find it self-indulgent and prissy to coyly restrict growth via maintaining inimical reality tunnels and recollections that neither sooth nor instruct. But yeah, I (maybe like you) concentrate on future progress and awareness. I should add, though, that perhaps nobody is totally immune from the quagmire of past trauma. Everybody carries around some garbage.

 

[Milo]

I like to reminisce on the past sometimes. The experience is much like a favorite childhood story-book being opened and read once more: the sweet, tender affection of puppy love, the wild woodland adventures with closest friends, the glorious achievements whose golden light still shines forth from mine eyes upon the world before me, telling me that there is no reason to give in until the blood pools in crimson lakes beneath my feet.

-Duxwing

This may be the answer to get you out of existential despair. I know it has been for me. It is a real boost of confidence. Real confidence that isn't based on something superficial. You are no longer afraid or hesitant to pursue what you really want because you don't over analyze it.

 

[Milo]

That's exactly how I use and espouse that particular philosophical nugget. When I advise people to let things go, provided those things are redundant or beguiling for the future, they laser this helpless look of incredulity to everyone and no one. Asking with their eyes - if it was that simple wouldn't I have done so already? I'm pretty sure they somehow disdain limpidity in emotional matters, namely because it highlights the irrationality and self-destruction of hanging onto baggage. I just find it self-indulgent and prissy to coyly restrict growth via maintaining inimical reality tunnels and recollections that neither sooth nor instruct. But yeah, I (maybe like you) concentrate on future progress and awareness. I should add, though, that perhaps nobody is totally immune from the quagmire of past trauma. Everybody carries around some garbage.

Very true. Sometimes remembering something bad from the past just happens. But I feel like if you just accept it as irrelevant and not a part of you instead of fighting yourself to forget it, that you will think of it less and less because your mind becomes less focused on it.

 

[Da Blob]

If only I had found this before thinking about this for about 4 months straight to get the answer... Haha

Meh, oh well. The past isn't real anymore.

The Past never was real. That is why it is so utterly stupid of people to chain their selves to it. The Past exists only as a figment of imagination, as does much of what we call, Now.

Humans all too often, become the victims of their own imaginations, perhaps more so than victims of 'real' tragedy. That is why a positive attitude is so important. If one is going to imagine as a necessary cognitive function to deal with Life, one might as well imagine the positive, instead of the negative.

 

[Milo]

The Past never was real. That is why it is so utterly stupid of people to chain their selves to it. The Past exists only as a figment of imagination, as does much of what we call, Now.

Humans all too often, become the victims of their own imaginations, perhaps more so than victims of 'real' tragedy. That is why a positive attitude is so important. If one is going to imagine as a necessary cognitive function to deal with Life, one might as well imagine the positive, instead of the negative.

I stand corrected. Haha.

And some good advice!