So you think you can type? (The Greatest Game)

[Architect]

@Lyra

I see what the problem is.

Look, this is probably the most important thing I can say about Pod'Lair-- I fully sympathise with it seeming like gibberish or endless incomprehensible acronyms or an off-putting attempt at some new religion before the key point is engaged with.

Precisely, it's not just off putting, but nearly impossible to understand in my experience. I've given it a fair shake but haven't gotten far.

That key point is Reading. We do a good job of giving info that can make sense of it in the best way available. Far beyond anything else. But we can't simplify beyond what is actually there. We are always referring to that and what is there to be seen, and the apparent complexity of our language/presentation etc. is because we are constrained by that and the distinctions necessary to it as a predictively useful/accurate activity.

Sure, General Relativity is hard but I was able to become an expert. So, why is Reading the key point? What is Reading? Give one clear example of a trait through Reading and how it relates to psychological makeup, and why that is superior to MBTI. Also showing the similarities between MBTI and PL would be helpful.

The difference between me and y'all here on INTPf is that the very first thing I did when I heard about Pod'Lair was try on the lens to see if what they were saying worked out, whereas everybody here just projected endless realms of bullshit without even taking that first step.

I think there are plenty of people, including myself, who have honestly tried and failed to understand it.

What we are interested in is people not so colossally incompetent and arrogant that they think their current way of perceiving etc.
...
it is in a very simple sense incredibly stupid and mindless to react to some new and not understood phenomena with the various and incoherent attempts at ... that the automata here and elsewhere have put forwards just to justify/continue in their own incompetent habits of perception. If there are few who aren't that mind-bogglingly worthlessly idiotic,
...

That is my final word on the matter. You are all so incredibly incompetent and moronic I honestly am ashamed to associate with you as members of the same species.

I've spent many years teaching, and learned that bad students weren't actually so, they were just reflecting my incompetent teaching.

 

[Minuend]

So what we have here are basically cowards and incompetents. People who either didn't put enough time into reading* and/or who, like Auburn (and even more so Erik Thor, who was afraid for his desired political career), were terrified of stepping outside of the respectable positions/roles that fully considering/realising the extent of the phenomena and its implications involved.

Granted my narrative above doesn't apply equally to each and every case, and is more in response to recent threads than older ones, but it does apply to the vast majority of reactions. The way older interest translated into the eventual reaction it did is also telling as to why present presentation is necessary. We filter for those willing to take the flak and apply the implications if they are seen to be implied, culling out the cowards who see a little, blink**, and then just go on cogging up the state-stupid machine. We want those rare few who have both the integrity to follow through on reasoned conclusions, and the perspicacity to seek the source of a behaviour/position before reacting to it/cogging/roboting.

That clarified, there really should be nothing more to say. Engage with us on the reads, or after reading, or you won't be engaged with on the subject. Every other tiresome circle has been run far too many times.

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*After the initial yield in insight/scent of the phenomenon, which should be motivation enough to anybody with a basic level of curiosity and integrity of thought.
**'Nietzsche said that the society of the last man would be too barren to support the growth of great individuals. The last man is possible only by mankind's having bred an apathetic creature who has no great passion or commitment, who is unable to dream, who merely earns his living and keeps warm. The last men claim to have discovered happiness, but blink every time they say so.'
***@cheese etc.

In other words, everyone who disagree with you is an idiot. *Takes notes*

 

[Ink]

First 5 samples:

herwretchedlove:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf9OPZ43Fx8&list=UU5wBmBjr2B6Ys0hDZTKR71Q&index=1
Jennifer1234styles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbRrOknTYU8
BritBliss:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ2XAaSQeD4
Strengthcamp:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo1kY33AhHE
tannah:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAcT6wmiQUA
http://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=h...ktaS9YZ0g-iTRncl8MTM1NTkzMDc1OUAxMzU1ODQ0MzU5

Strengthcamp elliott guy, I watch him! He's ESTP... Otherwise my impression of you pod'lair guys was that your youtube typings you messaged to a bunch of people were pretty incorrect, so I certainly wouldn't bother with this if you'd be the only judge

 

[Lyra]

In other words, everyone who disagree with you is an idiot. *Takes notes*

Not generally, but in this particular case-- yes. That happens in debates that matter. Creationism/evolution. Church vs. Copernicus. Spengler vs. Postmodernists. We should stay in the water as amoeba vs. we should go to the land and learn to walk. Etc. etc.

 

[BigApplePi]

@Minuend

In other words, everyone who disagree with you is an idiot. *Takes notes*

Allow me to give you a rough translation. Anyone who isn't one of the Lyra/Nietzsche supermen is an idiot.

This is not the same as another definition of "idiot" which is a person of I.Q. below say twenty.

 

[BigApplePi]

@ Lyra's idoits.

Not generally, but in this particular case-- yes. That happens in debates that matter. Creationism/evolution. Church vs. Copernicus. Spengler vs. Postmodernists. We should stay in the water as amoeba vs. we should go to the land and learn to walk. Etc. etc.

It is interesting a case could be made for ALL of those. Example: Church vs. Copernicus is a case of exerting a kind of power over another kind of power. This is exactly what is being done with the promotion of Pod'Lair. Instead, where is the humility a new kind of science should have if they want to make their way in the world?

 

[Lyra]

Humility for being new? You clearly don't know much about Darwin, Paracelsus, or... fuck it, I can't even be bothered to type this post. Lame.

 

[BigApplePi]

Humility for being new?

Well let me amend that word. Clearly you have superior knowledge and are entitled to step over inferiors like me.

The new kid on the block is going to get noticed. He/she had better know their stuff if they are not going to get pummeled. (New comers stand out and are going to be judged.) If fact if they are new, how are they to know whether they know their stuff unless they test the waters and act accordingly? A little humility might be in order just to increase their chances of fitting in before they ply their trade. Of course if you prefer to strut your stuff and take the risk, be my guest.

Should I repeat that the church did not take fondly to Galileo and his newness? He paid a price and might have moved to England ... a place much more likely to your liking.

Perhaps you have not seen or have forgotten this video. I LOVE it for it's absence of humility, not that it doesn't have elements of humility in it. Do you think one really should give up the freedom of one's soul for him? I don't mean that as a no answer. One can try him out and see if it's for you. But then get a hold of yourself first and remember who you are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jDh61Z-e2g&list=PLEA0FDB2B2F127C92&index=1

 

[Lyra]

You're actually using 'new kid on the block', and saying we should try to fit in? Lame. Not interested. Focus on the phenomenon and deal with your own reactions-- we're not in the business of pandering to stupidity or heretic burners.

 

[BigApplePi]

You're actually using 'new kid on the block', and saying we should try to fit in? Lame. Not interested. Focus on the phenomenon and deal with your own reactions-- we're not in the business of pandering to stupidity or heretic burners.

Lyra. I edited the previous a little.

No. I don't mean fit in as in blindly conform. I mean recognize where one is at and be respectful of the establishment because they have been there longer than you have. There is nothing wrong with ignorance, especially of the new. Ignorance necessitates what you call stupidity. Educate if you think you have something, but with temperance. That's a lesson I have to learn myself. Sometimes I am quite stupid in your sense, but that's okay.

I wrote something recently on "Trojan Horse." That means start with a gift. You can always -sabotage- change things later. IOW be nice Lyra even against your inclinations.

I'm in favor of Pod'Lair, but I have to go somewhere now and no time to explain. Wife is a calling.

 

[Lyra]

FYI, Danielle Durland and co. have taken umbridge at our challenge and our PSA dismantling of them and have erected a channel solely dedicated to crushing Pod'Lair! Apparently they're going to fight us to submission! More daily Pod'Lair coming your way soon...

Well, despite me wanting for them to go away quietly - clearly roach has the gang out hunting for heads. Adamouse apparently came good issuing a challenge to anyone who has been foolish or audacious enough to teach Psyche-Type, use MBTI or raise their head on YouTube - Typology town as they call it. Links to the challenge and my forced reply listed below.

From: noreply
Date: 19 December 2012 4:40:17 AM
Subject: A Challenge

Enlightenmentron


Subject : A Challenge

Dear InterPersonality, Can you read? Prove it. Pod'Lair would like to present all self-proclaimed teachers/authorities/speakers on the cognitive configuration phenomenon an opportunity to make their case. If they don't want to, we'd like to provide them with an opportunity for that to be publicly known and on the record. youtube.com/ watch?v=McnSWVseo4c Step up or give up, your friendly neighborhood enlightenmentron

Look for the "DismatlingPodLair" channel for my reply. Don't forget to vote Pod'Lair vids down if you don't agree with their MO.

Thanks PerC members for your support - Peter

About DismantlingPodLair

No heroic humans here; just some folks who are sick of seeing good people harassed and exploited.
This channel will be dismantled as soon as Pod'Lair go back underground where they belong.
Welcome to the Lair of
Roach Chenault
Adamouse &
The Kid that lives under the stairs

In other news, Pod'Lair will shortly be expanding beyond the conflict of Typology Town to engage in a generally much more geekout/exploration-focused sailing of the seven seas. We'll still defrock frauds and lay out our position as it deserves, but we'll be focusing a lot more on applying this to help and strengthen people who don't already have a stake in opposing models. Expect a fluffier, friendlier enlightenmentron in your local area soon... And a chance for all interested to play along and learn People Reading at their own pace...

We'll also be performing more demonstrations of Reading and in-depth applications to individual cases/stories/news.


p.s. Previous jabs from PsycheType include and are limited to

What happened to little Ben -the kid has been forced to live under roach's stairs?
Did the Impact of Calculus enCULTurate his Pod's Lair resulting in yet even greater wisdom and knowledge for all?

How will the rest of us navigate our simple lives without someone to tell us we are yet again wrong and have been deceived for all these years?

I do believe discussion on this subject and any new revelation is important; sadly these people have no desire to exchange ideas or indeed scientifically (theory, validity, repeatability) support their suppositions.

Hopefully now we can get on with understanding each other through personality type theories without feeling we have all been wrong and that the 'theory' and 'proof' of one neurotic fellow is our only salvation.

Congratulations also to the gutsy people who stand up and call these people's bluff!

Please excuse a grumpy old INTJ's misplaced lowly wit.............

We seem to have upset them.

 

[Lyra]

https://www.youtube.com/user/dismantlingpodlair

 

[Lyra]

5 more samples. It's easier viewing them in one thread actually...

Amber Rose Gallagher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDrfh2rSGes
clothesencounters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWZF7zP2o0M
otherjuicystar07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42h0EDS6UjA
StudyGuys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg4Jy34riCY
JeannetteLucia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsxwIHDjKr8

 

[Lyra]

PsycheType Declares War on Pod'Lair (separate thread cos lol, I know y'all want to watch it, and so so we can keep this for the Challenge. Mods please merge if desired...):


http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?p=331860#post331860

 

[InvisibleJim]

You're misusing those terms. They just aren't relevant in this context.

Not at all, when I play socionics VI it's the same issue, I can sit and analyse facial structure or speech patterns to derive a type, but I'm ultimately forcing another empirical model (visual mannerisms) on top of a different empirical model (cognition) and although the correlate, one will find a ENTp for example:

The male ILE usually looks thin, energetic, with clever, but slightly naive, childish eyes. According to the strength of his intuition, he may seem somewhat awkward and uncoordinated.

there is not always a direct cause. Therefore although you might find high degree of success, that doesn't imply theoretical agreement, merely a correlation between two invented constructs; you can pretend these are 'independent' models, but the models are fudged and therefore VI has hidden dangers.

Of course, if we are typing Pod'Lair, well, that seems to be based purely upon behavioural queues, so okay, that critique doesn't apply in that context; however I thought you were looking for an MBTI type and thus a cognitive definition.

You are also going to get into a pointless bun fight due to alternative interpretation of cognitive queues and then state you are right; but you know that already.

I don't believe anyone who tells me they can type other people with such a high degree of uncertainty a single video provides. If Pod'Lair (we?) think that is acceptable then the burden of proof appears relatively light and the margin of error relatively large in that system.

 

[Lyra]

Yeah, pretty much canvas. You're talking sense but sense but it isn't linking up with the facts of the matter. I've also addressed all of this at length in other threads.

 

[InvisibleJim]

Yeah, pretty much canvas. You're talking sense but sense but it isn't linking up with the facts of the matter. I've also addressed all of this at length in other threads.

With all due respect Lyra, the last time I asked for a concise breakdown of the Pod'Lair theory/theories you sent me on a goose chase around a youtube channel which described typing via. VI rather than one which linked the theory in a digestible way.

Forgive my skepticism when past endeavours have been so wanting when called to the task.

 

[own8ge]

*You read Adymus as NiFe... lol.

**Own8ge says he's submitting answers, by the way.

1) I typed Adymus as INFJ in a perspective I'd chosen to state a point. Damn you people can't sense beyond solid words. No wonder why Jesus said all that he have said.

2) I didn't state that I will submit my answers.

And I can't type? You can't think. Which makes you incompetent to make such statement. Inb4 some philosophical bullshit like that I am in no power to state that you can't think. Even thinking such makes you inferior.

Oh and, THIS is, a perspective I've chosen to state a point. Inb4 you take this shit totally out of context again.

 

[Lyra]

er...

You're pretty liquidy.

 

[Lyra]

p.s. @ random debate etc., sorry I'm not doing any more than skimming the posts and ignoring. I know I've answered and refuted it all before and honestly it's just tiresome now even if I haven't. Play the Game or top PsycheType in lollery or I really just... can't get it up for you

 

[Kuu]

You are also going to get into a pointless bun fight due to alternative interpretation of cognitive queues and then state you are right; but you know that already.

Let's spare us all the trouble.

A mod mentioned in a different thread that any future pod'lair threads would be closed.

A man can't take a few days off....

If people want to discuss PL, they can go to their website.