Rank All The S-types from best to worst:

[Cherry Cola]

1. ISFP
2. ISFJ
3. ISTP
4. ESTP
5. ESFJ
6. ESFP
7. ISTJ
8. ESTJ

 

[TimeAsylums]

1. ISFP
2. ISFJ
3. ISTP
4. ESTP

seems we get along with the same types of people

5-8 all get the position of 8

 

[TimeAsylums]

Not by my favourites, by what I deem would best make up a stable society.

8-ISFP

precisely why they're #1

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

precisely why they're #1

Revised to include Fi as a source of stability.

1-ISFJ
2-ESFJ
3-ISTJ
4-ISFP
5-ESTJ
6-ESFP
7-ESTP
8-ISTP

 

[redbaron]

1. ISTP
2. ISFJ
3. ISFP
4. ESFJ
5. ISTJ
6. ESTJ
7. ESTP
8. ESFP

 

[TimeAsylums]

Revised to include Fi as a source of stability.

Oh, I wasn't criticizing your list at all. My "precisely," was more of an antagonist to your "stability." Me being an ENTP, and jesting at it.

stability

8-ISTP

This is rather interesting, in critique of your criteria. Many a Ti dom Aux Se's in very white collar positions. Have ye something 'gainst 'em?

Personally, "stability" wise, of course the SJs get the top four, then the SPs, but curious about the ISTP last placement, I'd do ESFP last,

but just my opinion

 

[EyeSeeCold]

1. substance-less
2. stereotyping
3. self-serving
4. subjective
5. snobbish
6. shallow
7. senseless
8. superficial



Why? This thread isn't in Fun, and there's no informative, discussional or constructive element for MBTI.

 

[TimeAsylums]

there's no informative, discussional or constructive element for MBTI.

Blaurran made an attempt at ordering his list by "stability."

...we could have people justify their lists by reasoning

and since when isn't "how much we like people for reasons," discussion or informative?

 

[Cherry Cola]

Yeah but you just make one if you want it. Geez, who cares about categories? If I put it in fun would that mean that you couldn't have a serious discussion in it and likewise?

Thread categorisation analism is to be expected from number 7 and 8 on my list, not from from a top goddamn type like INTP, that's like a beauty showing up for prom all covered in feces.

 

[TimeAsylums]

top goddamn type like INTP

The Fe manipulation is strong

 

[TimeAsylums]

1. substance-less

7. senseless

These two would make for some great puns

 

[Minuend]

=/

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Yeah but you just make one if you want it. Geez, who cares about categories? If I put it in fun would that mean that you couldn't have a serious discussion in it and likewise?

It's not about categories, it's that the thread is not constructive at all and offers no point for discussion.

Thread categorisation analism is to be expected from number 7 and 8 on my list, not from from a top goddamn type like INTP, that's like a beauty showing up for prom all covered in feces.

I don't consider myself to be MBTI INTP so these statements just serve to show how [insert any of my S words] this thread is.

 

[TimeAsylums]

y so srs

 

[Cherry Cola]

Godfuckingdamnit. Yes it does offer fucking grounds for discussion. Look! There are list of s-types ranked in order>compare lists>disagree with other persons list>put forth reason for own list being right>etcetcetc=fucking discussion

It's as good as you make it, there might be srs discussion or there might not, jesus stop being so fucking J. Not everyone makes threads with clearly stated explicit rulebound anal subjects, sometimes some people make threads which follow a base premise being otherwise open. You know like seeing where an unfamiliar road might take you on a sunny day? Potential, uncertainty: don't shun just shusssh.

Also excuuuuuuse me for presupposing you are an INTP on an INTP forum when you don't got no other type in your signature bitch

kindly defenestrate thyself

 

[redbaron]

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Personally, "stability" wise, of course the SJs get the top four, then the SPs, but curious about the ISTP last placement, I'd do ESFP last

ESFP was second last on my first list. ISTP is a passive agressive kind of unhelpful element. Ti and Se are unnecessary to bring stability to the community, Fe inferior, hardly sociable, at best capable as a sensor thinker, which isn't contributive, at worst, social outcast and drunk/stubborn block.

 

[Base groove]

They're mercenaries?

 

[Absurdity]

SJs > SPs

SJs make the trains run on time.

SPs spread venereal diseases.

 

[TimeAsylums]

SJs > SPs

SJs make the trains run on time.

SPs spread venereal diseases.

Another person for the "stability" route I see

I counter you with a

SPs>SJs

SJs are psychopath RWA's

SPs are...fuck I can't say anything unrelated to sex, so you got me there at the highest level according to Freud

 

[redbaron]

The act of contracting a venereal disease from an SP is much more enjoyable than having my train run on time.

SP > SJ

 

[Brontosaurie]

this is hard

1. isfj
2. esfj
3. isfp
4. istp
5. estp
6. esfp
7. istj
8. estj

i hesitate about top 3, but my judgment about the rest is pretty firm. last 2 could perhaps be swapped.

 

[Absurdity]

SJs are psychopath RWA's

Exactly

SPs are...fuck I can't say anything unrelated to sex, so you got me there at the highest level according to Freud

Makes sense since Siggy was at his "highest" level as well when he came up with that nonsense.

The act of contracting a venereal disease from an SP is much more enjoyable than having my train run on time.

Unless they rape you.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Best functions for stability:
Introverted Sensing (As it was supposed to be)
Introverted Feeling (As I suppose it to be)
Extraverted Feeling (I feel your pain, oh, ah, hugs)

Worst functions for stability:
Introverted Intuition (Infernal connections)
Extraverted Thinking (Blasphemy)
Extraverted Intuition (You cannot understand the unseen!)

Spoiler

this is perfect, this is almost complete...

 

[TimeAsylums]

functions for stability

Si is indeed stability, but i'd argue Si+Fe/Te are the best stability. Specifically, I don't see why Te is worst for stability. The black/white of the law(Te), with Si is perfect stability

Fi is only good bc it will shut up and take it like a good lil introvert and not tell anyone

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Si is indeed stability, but i'd argue Si+Fe/Te are the best stability. Specifically, I don't see why Te is worst for stability. The black/white of the law(Te), with Si is perfect stability

Te is bad because it brings understanding, which is potential for change, there should be no understanding in the first place, things should be as they are supposed to be, no discussion.

Fi is only good bc it will shut up and take it like a good lil introvert and not tell anyone

Yes, "leave me alone" reaction is good for stability, generates little danger to the sensors.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Te ... brings understanding

Disagreed every Ti ever

http://www.celebritytypes.com

Look at the front page, compare TPs TJs...

one brings understanding, the other brings...uh, pain

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Disagreed every Ti ever

Ti has understanding and is fine with having it for oneself. Te forces its own way of understanding.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Precisely. Si+Te FORCE. Ti worse for Si than Te

But there is already an understanding, so it is enough to nurture it. I think Si Fe is enough to uphold a few simple rules.

Te gives the potential for change, when an individual manages to form a different worldview. Well arguably, it could be allowed, depends on the availible knowledge and perception pool.

 

[redbaron]

Unless they rape you.

Rape is fun :3

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Godfuckingdamnit. Yes it does offer fucking grounds for discussion. Look! There are list of s-types ranked in order>compare lists>disagree with other persons list>put forth reason for own list being right>etcetcetc=fucking discussion

It's as good as you make it, there might be srs discussion or there might not, jesus stop being so fucking J. Not everyone makes threads with clearly stated explicit rulebound anal subjects, sometimes some people make threads which follow a base premise being otherwise open. You know like seeing where an unfamiliar road might take you on a sunny day? Potential, uncertainty: don't shun just shusssh.

What does stating your intentions have to do with being anal? I see it as being forthright, since MBTI stereotyping circlejerks are common I don't see how you couldn't have anticipated that and just briefly mentioned your purpose for the thread.

Of course this thread can still have useful discussion. I can ask you, why do you rank ISFP and ISFJ at the top? Do you think you get along better with them, do you have compatible worldviews, thoughts etc? Why do you think that is?

Also excuuuuuuse me for presupposing you are an INTP on an INTP forum when you don't got no other type in your signature bitch

I'm sure you've been here long enough to know there are more types than INTP that frequent this forum, you needn't presuppose in the first place.

kindly defenestrate thyself

Spoiler

 

[Ex-User (8886)]

ISTP (actually only type which I want sometimes talk)


ISFP
ISFJ
ESFP
ESFJ
ESTP
ISTJ
ESTJ

 

[Base groove]

Ti has understanding and is fine with having it for oneself. Te forces its own way of understanding.

You might be backwards to some extent.

In the context of the present discussion I'd have to disagree as well and side with TA. Te isn't necessarily focused on connections or 'its own way'. Te is the perfect function to have access to objective knowledge and then absolute discernment power. Although thinking in general is of course predominantly oriented to understand, more credit needs to be given to the perception functions when it comes to working towards change or a web/network of ideas... i.e this exercise is best suited to a NT consciousness.

Since, however, you two appear to be talking about SJ types. .. then I'd have to side with TA even though he didn't actually make an argument about it ... it sort of does arise as self-evident.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

In the context of the present discussion I'd have to disagree as well and side with TA. Te isn't necessarily focused on connections or 'its own way'. Te is the perfect function to have access to objective knowledge and then absolute discernment power. Although thinking in general is of course predominantly oriented to understand, more credit needs to be given to the perception functions when it comes to working towards change or a web/network of ideas... i.e this exercise is best suited to a NT consciousness.

In the context of the stability I have in mind, Te brings the unnecessary logic and understanding, while making its users overly focused on the objectivity and absolutes, the absolutes that are subjective and should not be questioned or even considered in terms of possible different categories that bring the stability.

In your understanding, as well as the more general context I would side with, I would agree that by far Ni and Ne help to form the dangerous motivations, while Si and Fe are "safe". Fi as mentioned is the "deadbeat" so also a safe one.

 

[Pyropyro]

Well if we're working with stereotypes:
1. istp
2. isfj
3. isfp
4. istj
5. estp
6. esfp
7. esfj
8. estj

I prefer the I's since they tend to keep to themselves and respect boundaries. E's tend to be a bit too intrusive for comfort.

 

[pernoctator]

I'm sure you've been here long enough to know there are more types than INTP that frequent this forum, you needn't presuppose in the first place.

If one were not aware of the possibility of being incorrect, one would not call it supposition in the first place.

 

[Cherry Cola]

What does stating your intentions have to do with being anal? I see it as being forthright, since MBTI stereotyping circlejerks are common I don't see how you couldn't have anticipated that and just briefly mentioned your purpose for the thread.

Of course this thread can still have useful discussion. I can ask you, why do you rank ISFP and ISFJ at the top? Do you think you get along better with them, do you have compatible worldviews, thoughts etc? Why do you think that is?

I'm sure you've been here long enough to know there are more types than INTP that frequent this forum, you needn't presuppose in the first place.

Spoiler

Why would I say "feel free to discuss whatever you want revolving around yours and others lists" rather than just let people do so at their own leasure? You don't need to state something that obvious. I don't mind it if people circlejerk in the thread either, circlejerking can be fun. And geez, the thought did cross my mind that you might not be an INTP, seeing as I don't suffer from obsessive compulsive personality disorder I didn't bother to look it up though. If you don't want to be taken for an INTP then put your type in your signature, it doesn't matter if it makes sense or not.

I get along better with ISFx types than other S-types, but that's not my sole reason for putting them at the top. The ISFP is a top contributor to art and culture in pretty much all its forms, they might not be academics but they have no match in their areas of proficiency. They are also humanitarians with a respect for personal freedom and quite openminded, generally speaking.

The ISFJ is loyal and dependable without being insensitive or bossy (xSTJ) or overbearing (ESFJ). With their tertiary Ti well developed ISFJ's -like their N cousins- can be quite logical as well, they aren't nearly as touchy about taboo's as other SJ's, in fact their humor can sometimes be delightfully detached. Because they are feelers their Si isn't as concerned with preserving systems and structure as they are with traditions and ethical principles. I've found them more open minded than ISTJ's by far, so long as you show that your theories/opinions/whatever are intended to make things better for people then they won't dismiss you.

 

[nearfantastica]

This is difficult

1) ISTP
2) ISFP
3) ISFJ
4) ISTJ
5) ESTP
6) ESTJ
7) ESFP
8) ESFJ

I acknowledge the benefits of having SJ's around to keep NP's on track, but it can be extremely annoying...and they tend to be so narrow-minded...

 

[Cherry Cola]

^Another reason why a thread like this can serve a purpose. Consider it a tool, if it's difficult to arrange the S-types then you need to think them over and rank their strengths and weaknesses in your head, consolidating your view of them. That process alone makes you learn. And that's not discussion.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Why would I say "feel free to discuss whatever you want revolving around yours and others lists" rather than just let people do so at their own leasure? You don't need to state something that obvious. I don't mind it if people circlejerk in the thread either, circlejerking can be fun. And geez, the thought did cross my mind that you might not be an INTP, seeing as I don't suffer from obsessive compulsive personality disorder I didn't bother to look it up though. If you don't want to be taken for an INTP then put your type in your signature, it doesn't matter if it makes sense or not.

I get along better with ISFx types than other S-types, but that's not my sole reason for putting them at the top. The ISFP is a top contributor to art and culture in pretty much all its forms, they might not be academics but they have no match in their areas of proficiency. They are also humanitarians with a respect for personal freedom and quite openminded, generally speaking.

The ISFJ is loyal and dependable without being insensitive or bossy (xSTJ) or overbearing (ESFJ). With their tertiary Ti well developed ISFJ's -like their N cousins- can be quite logical as well, they aren't nearly as touchy about taboo's as other SJ's, in fact their humor can sometimes be delightfully detached. Because they are feelers their Si isn't as concerned with preserving systems and structure as they are with traditions and ethical principles. I've found them more open minded than ISTJ's by far, so long as you show that your theories/opinions/whatever are intended to make things better for people then they won't dismiss you.

^Another reason why a thread like this can serve a purpose. Consider it a tool, if it's difficult to arrange the S-types then you need to think them over and rank their strengths and weaknesses in your head, consolidating your view of them. That process alone makes you learn. And that's not discussion.

I admit I was probably unnecessarily preemptive. Yes I agree that forcing oneself to contemplate the types' weaknesses/strengths in order to rank them has merit. When ESxJ is consistently at the bottom I think there is something that needs to be acknowledged though whether it is people's subconscious biases or the naked truth.

Spoiler

seeing as I don't suffer from obsessive compulsive personality disorder

"Rank All The S-types from best to worst"

If you don't want to be taken for an INTP then put your type in your signature, it doesn't matter if it makes sense or not.

I'm past the point of wanting to be seen as a type. If people get an idea of my type over time that's cool, but I'd rather not have people uncritically/subconsciously absorbing my statements as part of what "XXXX's believe/think/do"

 

[Base groove]

naked and fearless,

 

[Cherry Cola]

Ranking types does not constitute OCD and the kind of distance you want between your type and yourself is probably hard to achieve on an MBTI forum. Though when it comes to that I definitely get what you mean, apart from the downsides you listed there's the "that's your inferior speaking..." or "you are just not seeing the logic because you are a feeler" and that sorta crap wherein you get belittled and your arguments ignored when you'd rather have what you put forth being evaluated on the merit of itself.

Still that's how people work, there's always something to peg someone or something into or by, so sometimes it can be better to just peg yourself so that you can adjust what you write in accordance with how you've pegged yourself, if you get what I mean :P

 

[EyeSeeCold]

That too but INTPf is pretty mild when it comes to those downsides.

Looking at my selftype influences your idea of my type and how the type in general manifests, whether I'm correctly selftyped or not.

Figuring out people's types through emergent interaction allows for a holistic and authentic understanding of both types/functions and the actual individual.

 

[Ribald]

I's before E's
P's before J's
T's before F's

In that order. You can make the list based on that.

 

[Base groove]

I's before E's
P's before J's
T's before F's

In that order. You can make the list based on that.

IS,IS,IS,IS,ES,ES,ES,ES

ISP, ISP, ISJ, ISJ, ESP, ESP, ESJ, ESJ

ISTP, ISFP, ISTJ, ISFJ, ESTP, ESFP, ESTJ, ESFJ

... really?

 

[Pfness]

1. ISFJ
2. ISTP
3. ISFP
4. ESTP
5. ESFP
6. ESFJ
7. ISTJ
8. ESTJ

 

[ENTP lurker]

Interesting my ENTP opinion

ESFJ
vs
ISFJ
Well, Ne + Fe wins here ESFJ > ISFJ. ESFJs are faster to talk to. do sometimes appreciate those extroverted housewives and their Si usually just amuses me where as ISFJs... Initial chemistry is pretty creepy but not that bad.

ESTJ
vs
ISTJ
Higher Ne wins. This one is a really close call. For long term ISTJ or lobotomy, short term ESTJ.

SPs are harder. I hardly deal with them. I see xSTP as wasters of Ti if you ask me (but this is me). ISFP I know really appreciates my odd humor or thinking (don't know which one makes them giggle). No conflict whatsoever but I feel that they are just listening (and doing the stuff). OTOH My uncoordinated movements could also play a part. (Damn you inf S)

ISFP
ESFJ
ISFJ
ISTP
ESTP
ESFP
ESTJ
ISTJ

 

[Cherry Cola]

Hmm I guess youre tougher as an ENTP, the types which despite their concrete sense making just end up causing me to get into a bad mood because I'm always just waiting for them to hurt someone else, which will in turn rub off on me, and I just hate social tension. Im out drinking with two couples which are friends of mine and they are both seriously fighting, man I can't wait to get home and read about cool animals or whatever the fuck doesn't involve these people's childish reasons to fight with each other while I have to maintain neutrality despite knowing which one is right in both couples. I put my headphones on and maxed the volume before I started writing this post. Now both of the couples have gotten off while I was typing. Thank god. Now I can just go home and chill out doing pointless stuff.

Anyway ISTJs suck, I just had an ISTJ who thought he had the right to make me work overtime despite not being the one who hired me. He was a traditional dude as well and basically told me to fuck off and acted like I had betrayed him for even bringing my extra unpaid work up. So I put on the most feminine clothes I could find instead of my regular working attire which totally disturbed him on a deep level, I also no longer have to work overtime for the motherfucker, take that stupid fucking ISTJ bitch, I maintained my cool all the time you started yelling and being angrily incoherent so I got my view through while yours was ignore haha bitch!

 

[Spirit]

ESFP was second last on my first list. ISTP is a passive agressive kind of unhelpful element. Ti and Se are unnecessary to bring stability to the community, Fe inferior, hardly sociable, at best capable as a sensor thinker, which isn't contributive, at worst, social outcast and drunk/stubborn block.

This explains a lot for me... except the stubborn part of your post.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

@Spirit, feel free to ask questions if the examples weren't enough.


Types in real life are of course differentiated by many things including background and personality, but for the sake of this thread I think acquaintance/stranger vs close friend/relative has the most immediate effect on how one encounters the types.


SeFi: my experience with them is that they are "life of the party"/ "everyone's best friend" types and always try to maintain social cohesion in situations and truly try to help people out when in need(at least to the minimum extent). But at the same time they can be pretty reckless/thoughtless, too trusting, and occasionally deceitful when it comes to getting their way. From a distance I don't have a problem with them and can even enjoy them, but I don't think I can always depend on them.

SeTi: Similar to ESFP except with more social restraint(in the coolheaded ones) or social arrogance(in the energetic ones). Again with distance, in this case the closer we are the more I get along with them, it's like we have to go through a period of calibration of personality and social exceptions before we can see eye to eye. I would feel more comfortable with/depending on an ESTP than ESFP.

FiSe: The thing I notice the most about them is that they can be bitingly critical, but also are big on devotion and family(and control). They hold in their feelings on a day to day basis and only express either repressed anger or blunt pragmatism, though sometimes they have a creative humorous side. My personal experiences with them are positive and even though I think they go too far sometimes in being somewhat sociopathic, they've appeared to me as competent individuals who I respect and can't really blame.

SiTe:
Immediately these have been people I probably identified the most with. Just from an external perspective we are probably considered the same kind of person by the rest of the world. In my experience they were aloof yet able to navigate social situations if desired, with a passion they hold dear to themselves and gives them motivation or meaning. Very individualistic though critical/grouchy if you annoy or disturb them by approaching them the wrong way. On the negative side, they can easily disregard social aspects and are probably highly prone to full blown sociopathy if not given a lot of positive support early in life. Overall I see them as people who are "heading towards a different destination but taking the same route" as me.

TeSi:
There is only one ESTJ I'm sure of who is my dad, but every other anecdote of ESTJs sounds just like my experiences. Controlling, condescending, & critical, but also pedagogic, protective, & pragmatic. He's highly comfortable and invested in the family(has 3 sons including myself) including extended family and is also into sports. His personality is management/owner material, but on a personal level I could only respect his personality traits from a distance. Our mental faculties are too competitive in the same room and unless I choose to be subordinate we could argue endlessly because we understand situations as being only one correct way(though I'm more willing to accept the possibility of being wrong knowing that there might be more information I'm not aware of), still, regardless of disagreeing I see him as reasonable in the literal interpretation of the word.

FeSi:
Distance is again a factor here. Superficially similar to ESFPs, the difference in my experience is that ESFJs are highly intentional. Meaning they do what they do to obtain outcomes and to manage situations according to their idea of how social situations should be. Not necessarily selfish(like ESFPs) but arrogant/ignorant(like ESTJ). Familial and devoted but in a "social role" type of way rather than developing their own authentic style. In a social group they're probably one of the most respected, but I would add highly conformist and afraid of rocking the boat by being themselves.


Who I'd like to associate with (best to worse):
SeTi > FiSe > SiTe

Who I'd wouldn't like to associate with (worst to better):
FeSi > TeSi > SeFi

I have the least experience with SiFe and TiSe, so most of my conceptualizations of them are out of stereotypes or hypothesis based on theory.