INTPs and aggression

[AcuteVision]

So I've taken the personality test about more than 40x and I keep getting intp... Sometimes but rarely intj... Everything with intp agrees with my personality except I can be very physically but more so verbally agressive if attacked about something and only toward male authority figures. Especially if I feel like I'm being wronged...... Is is this a personal trait or common or just a teenage thing? Idky but if feel hostile towards male authority figures in particular and only when I'm being told what to do by them. I see better ways or more entertaining was to get things done or reach my goals but its always "dont try to reinvent the will" but In the same breath "think outside the box" ...... This is kinda criss crossing paths like two different ideas but sorry... I just want few suggestions on how to cope from experienced ppl of the same personality trait. Thanks

 

[Sir Eus Lee]

Have you tried talking to them about it in a calm manner afterwards? If you explained your ideas and goals with them in a clear and non-hostile way when it didn't interfere with their other activities, you could probably make some progress.

Which situations or places specifically are these things happening, and do you have any examples?

 

[onesteptwostep]

People (INTPs) usually learn as they make mistakes in social arenas and emotional dialogues. I think it could be a common trait, but I think one learns as they get older.

The Fe-inf sometimes forces the INTP to lash out, but their Ti sort of abhors at their own action after doing so. It's what's commonly called as the 'Ti-Fe conflict'.

I totally get what you mean by male authorities. But yeah, if you put yourself in their shoes you'd probably sympathize..

 

[Jungle]

So I've taken the personality test about more than 40x and I keep getting intp... Sometimes but rarely intj... Everything with intp agrees with my personality except I can be very physically but more so verbally agressive if attacked about something and only toward male authority figures. Especially if I feel like I'm being wronged...... Is is this a personal trait or common or just a teenage thing? Idky but if feel hostile towards male authority figures in particular and only when I'm being told what to do by them. I see better ways or more entertaining was to get things done or reach my goals but its always "dont try to reinvent the will" but In the same breath "think outside the box" ...... This is kinda criss crossing paths like two different ideas but sorry... I just want few suggestions on how to cope from experienced ppl of the same personality trait. Thanks

This sounds like Ti vs Te. It's a conflict that will tend to produce aggression from both parties. You need to start thinking in terms of strategy. First begin by acknowledging that Te is not inherently a bad thing. Society needs objective systems in place in order to function. The question is how best to utilise Ti within the Te system. If that fails you need to get out of the Te system and carve your own path.

Here is a recent post I made on another thread on a similar note:

You can also ask how the combo of Ti-Ne is most useful, which puts a different spin on it. Ti-Ne is particularly good at processes of cross-pollination, distillation and synthesis.

From my experience these are more useful skills in the workforce than Ti by itself. Let's say there is some kind of project bouncing around within the organisation that has the reputation of being a poisoned chalace for anyone who works on it. Heaps of different people have worked on it already but they always end up passing the buck to someone else.

The INTP has the ability to effortlessly review the mess created so far, salvage all the best bits, add some new ideas or innovations, and then package it all up together in a unified whole. This is something that SJ types will appreciate far more than someone who they think is rocking the boat or colouring outside the lines. We can have much more scope for innovation if we frame our work as solving an existing problem rather than innovating for the sake of innovating.

If you get tired of working within the problem solving paradigm then I think you need to make a beeline for the creative arts (including journalism and non-fiction writing). These fields can provide a refuge for unbridled Ti. There are so many films, novels, paintings, etc, that surely must have required a healthy dose of Ti used in their creation.

Don't try to beat the Te doms at their own game, you will never win. Just start solving the problems that they are unable to solve. They will most likely be forced to respect you, and if they still don't, then maybe you need to start planning your escape. But my advice would be to make a concerted effort to work with Te and around Te rather than ramming straight into it.

 

[AcuteVision]

Thanks. I can understand that, because rn now its like even when I present my ideas to my dad or grandfather in normal random sittings or circumstances they practically laugh at me and say "why do it different when this way is already proven to work" I reply "well someone had to invent that way in the first place " and then I get the whole "close minded" speech. Its so annoying I cant even describe how .... I'm like mad rn just thinking about it.

 

[onesteptwostep]

What was the subject that was being discussed? Or simply, what were you guys talking about?

 

[Brontosaurie]

i mostly get mad when people are predictable

and things, too

 

[redbaron]

Typically if I have a new way of doing something, I test it first and then instead of saying to people, "I have this new idea" only to have them think it's useless - I show them the improved results that clearly show my new idea actually has merit.

Plus that way you start to actually become better at coming up with good ideas because you're constantly testing your creative abilities and learning your own cognitive weaknesses and strengths.

Anyone at all can come up with ideas, not everyone can come up with good ideas.

 

[EvilBlitz]

redbaron is correct. I believe Buckminster Fuller said something along a similar line to redbaron's reasoning. Arguing with people can be a waste of time, typically people are loss averse they need a new system to switch to, just explaining theirs will lead to negative results is not enough.

 

[Seteleechete]

I have noticed people prefer dealing with solutions over problems. Anytime I mess up I don't come with "I have messed up" but rather "I have messed up, x and y is how I will solve it if you let me." With a clear solution apparent people tend to focus less on the mishap that often could have landed me in some trouble.

 

[Jennywocky]

Typically if I have a new way of doing something, I test it first and then instead of saying to people, "I have this new idea" only to have them think it's useless - I show them the improved results that clearly show my new idea actually has merit.

Plus that way you start to actually become better at coming up with good ideas because you're constantly testing your creative abilities and learning your own cognitive weaknesses and strengths.

Anyone at all can come up with ideas, not everyone can come up with good ideas.

redbaron is correct. I believe Buckminster Fuller said something along a similar line to redbaron's reasoning. Arguing with people can be a waste of time, typically people are loss averse they need a new system to switch to, just explaining theirs will lead to negative results is not enough.

I have noticed people prefer dealing with solutions over problems. Anytime I mess up I don't come with "I have messed up" but rather "I have messed up, x and y is how I will solve it if you let me." With a clear solution apparent people tend to focus less on the mishap that often could have landed me in some trouble.

Yup to all that.

If something isn't working, you should be able to show why it isn't working and then also provide a better solution. That last part is the clincher towards getting buy-in, as people can't drop something that isn't working well if they have nothing to replace it with.

When you start doing that, people start realizing you can come up with good workable ideas and give you more clout in the future when you have a critique.

 

[AcuteVision]

I agree with you guys 100% but proving an idea to see if it works isn't exactly that easy if you're 16 and your parents object to science experiments in your room or the basement. U could argue why not at a friends house....but ideky I'm friends with my friends we have nothing in common besides the fact we grew up together and go to school together

 

[Seteleechete]

It's pointless trying to convince people that don't want to listen, ignore them and do your own thing. If you get an idea research, contemplate and Google to explore it. If that fails post it here since it's bound to be interesting in that case.

 

[AcuteVision]

thanks guys

 

[onesteptwostep]

One thing to note though, it's possible that you may actually lack the resources to put your thoughts into motion. Depending on the hierarchy of your social arena or system, your options may be limited. I guess it depends on how much access you have to your social ecology, but in some cases the ecology itself is too bound up tightly for any change to come across. Material resources that are needed to make the change are also bound to social relations as well.

Just something to think about.