Cheeseumpuffs:
I know this is deadly dangerous territory, but if you will, what's your stance on MBTI
I think it's dumb.
and your type specifically?
Probably ENTP
Yes I'm trying to read you.
I'm a timid man who exists in a near-perpetual state of agnosticism. The vast majority of decisions I make in my life are the result of incommunicable and ineffable intuitive feelings that only really make sense as images in my brain. I'm overly self-aware and my main sense of humor comes from saying dumb/bizarre/absurd things which confuse people.
Helpful?
We wait for NK and see who survives which immediately establishes two patterns: activity of those most likely to be mafia and activity of those who are townie. Right now you and redbaron seem the most suspicious for bandwagoning votes to fast track a lynching, of course a mafia would be eager to get rid of a townie, so if neither of you are dead by tomorrow then we know mafia doesn't bandwagon.
I don't think RB is mafia
hy doing nothing helps town who also happen to auto-lose if nothing happens, you need to get your shit together. Gather it all up and put it in a pile. Together. Get your shit together.
Maybe put it in a bag?
My intention is to post a case in the next two hours. To let at least some of my chest truths come loose. The biggest obstacle to this intention is my drinkingness and just how headbangingly amazing music sounds to me right now. Also there is a person in my house that I'm not used to, so I'm spending a lot of time launching covert missions to the fridge for all my eaty needs. Shshshhhh.
Shit I'll just come out and say it. I suspect cheeseumpuffs. Pretty damn strongly.
Unvote WhoeverIVotedBefore
Vote Cheeseumpuffs
I'm just going through the thread trying to reappraise, then I'll see if the case I have is worth posting.
Whoa what the fuck?
Does this mean you're the original mafia of the ruminator voting block?
@Cheeseum: I've played knifesy-spoonsies before...
wat
I'm suspicious of Ruminator already, Cheesums was less so until he made the play on Nebulous - and the way that he sort of preaches a 'lynch but not really lynch' just doesn't sit right with me.
Yeah, to be honest, I don't really want someone to die today. You guys convinced me that it may be necessary, but I abstained until I actually saw someone worthy of real suspicion.
The lynch is only good if it takes out a mafia member. The process is what is always good, but the process was a lot of random voting for people who didn't seem all that suspicious or overly likely to be mafia. Then the process made me see a pattern, and that pattern makes me suspect Nebulous, and now Hado.
He's also folding to the reasoning of Hadoblado and I at every turn where we stand our ground, like he doesn't want to really antagonize us or draw too much attention to the fact that he's quite clever.
I'm very impressionable. I'm convinced by any argument that makes sense in the moment and I'll hold that view but forget about it when I hear the next convincing argument. Auburn once told me he thought my thoughts were fluid, and that they change with the slightest breeze. Or something along those lines.
I'm glad you think I'm clever at least.
Also, people need to stop this shit. Don't get me wrong accuse away if you think I'm scum and have [like a single fucking] reason for doing so. But when you do. Umm.. Fucking reasoning. Nobody gives a fuck about your unarticulatable feels. Tell me why I'm a very bad man damn it!
Before I only had inarticulate intuitive suspicion. Now I only mostly have inarticulate intuitive suspicion.
If I drew suspicion for diverting votes away from ruminator, does Hado not draw suspicion for diverting votes away from Nebulous?
The way I see it, Hado comes in strong and convinces everyone that any lynch is good (when in reality it's only good if it achieves good results) under the assumption that he can steer votes towards townies. He gets people on the lynch train, primarily steering people towards inactives (easy targets. likely townies, at least in majority). A small voting block for ruminator appears, including Hado. Nebulous, being a weaker mafia member, sees his strong pal Hado participating in a voting block and takes that as an opportunity to help a vote and follows suit.
Also they keep bickering back and forth but have expressed little to no desire to vote for one another (ie. appearing not concerted but still not butting heads)
Red: very strong language for someone in a vulnerable and naïve position. See: violent, perpetrate, organised criminals, suspicious, lambs to the slaughter, dangerous. These are peripheral pathway words. Ones that don’t need to be coherent in order to be persuasive.
I think mafioso is a dumb word. I don't want to use it. What is a mafia? It's an organized crime syndicate. I'll say that instead. What is this bunch of organized criminals trying to do? Launch a violent incursion on the town. Forgive me for using fantastical language to try and get into the mood of the game. I don't have anything specific to point to, but I'm sure my overall post history on the forum can demonstrate a history of using over-the-top vocabulary in mundane situations. Why? Well, mostly because I'm dumb, but also because I think the contrast of over-the-top things and mundanity are absurdly funny.
I also used the word "indicative" which I think is a really fun word and I feel proud of the way I structured the clauses in a couple of those sentences. But do I get any credit for those? No. Fuck you, man.
Also does your repeated use of "scum" not work the same way? I'd say scum is a much more loaded word than any of the ones I used.
While you indicate you’re not sure about me, it’s as if you’re muttering ‘he is Satan’ under your breath between every word.
I wouldn't do that!
I put all of my trust in the Dark Lord Satan.
Without taking a strong position this way or that, you’ve managed to indicate that I’m not to be trusted.
Because you aren't. No one is. That's the point of the game. I am uncertain, so I express my uncertainty.
When you bully this lynch through and find out I'm town you're going to feel like an asshat when you go through my posts and see that I have been entirely open-book about my process.
If I have a thought that could have even a slight impact, I post it. I don't care if it shatters your image of me as someone witty and wise or whatever, but my posts thus far in the thread are a pretty good cross section of how my brain operates.
These are words used to push emphasis,
They were words designed to push whimsy.
Maybe you have more confidence because you’ve played at parties.
I always get killed when I play at parties. Probably because I use these games as an opportunity to experiment with human relationships so everyone just gets annoyed and suspicious by the fact that I keep pushing buttons.
Maybe you were trying to inject a bit more attitude into your persona because this is the first you get to be pseudo-anonymous while playing.
Arguably the most accurate.
Or, you reply to something less verifiable than my post in lieu of replying to my post. A vague sense that I’m in a rush. This makes you ‘uneasy’.
Again, this is how my mind works. Vague, unverifiable impressions. I also said Zerk made me feel itchy. Does that make sense to you? It doesn't make sense to me, and I said it.
Look how you have an opinion! But it doesn’t really make sense does it? I’m in a rush to get his over as quick as possible? The daynight cycle ticks over whether I’m in a rush or not. The game doesn’t come to an end because I’m in a hurry.
No. You're in a rush to get a kill as quick as possible. With seemingly no regard for the accuracy or usefulness of the kill. Your disregard for applying some level of aim towards more apt targets smelled fishy.
what do you feel about my objective focused orientation? Like it’s a good thing to be doing I hope.
I
did feel for a while that you were right about at least some of the fundamentals, but now I'm more convinced than I ever was earlier that you're mafia and that you're trying to lead people down a road of "let's kill people and it's a good thing to do regardless of whether or not we kill a town or mafia"
The bolded bit is called WIFOM. It stands for “wine in front of me”, a reference to a scene in the princess bride:
Oh god, story of my life. This game is full of clearly poisoned wine.
How can I drink any of it?
You’re not trying to establish who’s mafia, you’re trying to establish that you’re trying to establish who’s mafia. Such a mindset seeks uncertainty within which to hide such as wifom. If other people join in with you, you’re not only camouflaging yourself, you’re wasting town time on a red herring.
At that point in the game it was too early to establish mafia. No one had done or said enough to give me any level of certainty about anything and I had very little to say but figured I should at least say it or be branded a useless, suspicious lurker.
Okay so again you’re saying finger pointing is bad. But I’m pretty sure we’ve established by this point it’s good. And my “fucking bizarre” reasoning? It checks out too. Do you agree with me now?
I agree with that reasoning now. It was an effective tool to motivate participation.
Following is what the mafia do. They don’t want to take the risk of actually airing their thoughts because those thoughts are inevitably full of holes. So they bandwagon whenever they can without taking any personal responsibility.
Following is what
I do.
I don't want to take the risk of actually airing my thoughts because I fundamentally have so few of my own and I'm afraid everyone will see me as the vapid, useless idiot that I am. So
I bandwagon whenever I can without taking any personal responsibility because going with the flow is so much more aligned with my disposition than creating flow of my own.
Now if Hado produces results you’re all good! But if he fails, well, you always knew that guy was up to no good. You’re hedging your bets. Why did it even come up that it was an option to follow me? Because I was being forceful?
Yes, because you were being forceful, a personality trait I'm inclined to dislike and distrust but not one I'm motivated enough to work against. So I figured "let him do his thing. support it. don't trust it. and if it doesn't work out then it doesn't seem unreasonable to remove it."
Now this is the bit where I started seeing you as red. This is the scummiest thing anyone’s said yet.
But then I was resoundingly told that was a dumb idea and I let it drop. This is what I've been doing this entire game. Throwing ideas to the room and seeing what happens to them. Multiple times, so far, I've done that.
Only, the thing is, now, I seem to have hit a juicy response.
Let’s not do anything too hasty or useful. Let’s throw away precious hours waiting for lurkers to pipe up. Then we follow Hado who’s just seemingly committed to a mislynch. And in the event that Hado is wrong, we lynch him too.
Hasty? Yes. Useful? No. At the time (and still a little bit as of now) I viewed mislynching as a pro-mafia action. If you force a lynch and it turns out to be wrong, a case could be built for you being mafia. That was my thinking.
In retrospect, both me and RB have come up shiny and clean.
RB, yes. You not so much anymore.
(at this point I hadn’t let on that it was also because I was more familiar with RB, and had only mentioned his general competence).
Everyone on this forum is so fucked up, I don't really pay attention to anyone's preconceived opinions of each other. If anything, the fact that someone on this forum thought he was competent made me more inclined to disregard him.
This is the outcome that would have happened if I had have preceded attacking redbaron while cheeseumpuffs got his way. Four townies vs. three mafia. How many of those townies would be lurkers? If it’s even one clueless and/or inactive that’s a complete loss (and they will be because between two NK’s and me being lynched day two, the three most active town would be removed). This was literally a proposal that would have brought us to lynch-or-lose. Das bad!
This disparity was explained. I let it drop. You're painting me as if I committed to this and tried hard to commit others. I made one fucking post about it. It very briefly registered as a fucking thought for me and honestly only mostly because I was annoyed by you trying to bully things into moving.
So we need to choose between the unlikely circumstance that Cheeseumpuffs, being TMI one of the most knowledgeable about this game behind myself, was so unlucky and incompetent as to accidentally the most scummiest thing in the game, when at no point in his forum history he’s even implied himself being incompetent (to the contrary, while he’s kinda relaxed he strikes me as a wise sort), or he’s scummer.
Relaxed? This game is wall-to-wall social interaction with the added bonus that I can't actually interact socially with any of you. I'm so fucking far from relaxed.
Also I fell like at some point posting on the forum I've very probably said "I am incompetent" or at least something along those lines. If not, here it is:
I am incompetent.
No reasoning given. What’s that? Real suspicions warrant real reasonings. Yes. Yes they do.
Reasonings I gave when asked for them.
Not only that, but Sinny’s not really said much, meaning that at the point Cheeseumpuffs posted this, she was just as guilty looking from a town perspectives as any of the other lurkers. But not only is she on his watch list, she’s on his actual Ifuckingthinkshesmafia list. How does he elevate her past any of the other candidates when she’s done so little?
What chain of thoughts could lead to this conclusion? Well… I can’t really think of any for Cheesetownpuffs, but cheesescumpuffs? I certainly can. Cheeseumpuffs is a longstanding forum member, who, while not particularly active, is probably aware of the tendency for the forum to beat up on Sinny (whether she deserves it or not). He has reason to suspect that, just as in everyday foruming, Sinny will act in such a way as to attract that sort of attention. She’s an easy bandwagon. We’ve seen it a thousand times: she says something controversial, then we point it out, and an enormous drama ensues. She’s the optimal person for a scum to bait, because she’ll attract all the wrong kinds of attention with her inevitable over-reaction.
Mostly I did it to test her reaction. In the interactions I've observed where others beat up on Sinny, she responds in kind. And passionately.
My thinking was that if Sinny is mafia, and someone calls her out as mafia, her standard reaction would be to push back and
hard. Laughing it off with a "I thought that's what you'd say" is what she'd do if she were town because it fits the "I know the truth, you clearly don't. Fuck you" mindset she holds when someone is pissing in the wind like that.
Notice how I've let the Sinny thing drop now that I've found a real pattern to go off of.
I’m pretty damn confident that I look town.
I'm not so sure anymore
But I’m also the primary mover and shaker,
Which is why, regardless of your alignment, I want you around for the day.
If Nebulous goes and turns out to be mafia, my theory is valid, and you are next on my list.
Notice how he’s making sure to keep the scope of possibility wide. But the town game is about probability not possibility. Propagating agnosticism is scum game. If all options look equal, town cannot move towards its natural tendency which is to identify and eliminate scum. To the more philosophically inclined such as what I expect from the average INTPf resident, it looks legit. But it’s really fucking not, because we need to be okay with acceptable risks in order to win. So from a scum perspective, Cheeseumpuffs is yet again trying to get in the way of town momentum (which yes, happens to be me). Keep people not confident in anything, and inaction will follow, spelling town demise. This is scum game.
My brain fucking exists in agnosticism. What the fuck not only do you want me to drink all of this wine that I clearly cannot drink, but you want me to try and throw it in everyone else's faces.
God fucking dammit man
), and all will be revealed.
You are not allowed to edit your posts, period.
