INTP = ADHD? Yes I know.. just take a look.

[Lobstrich]

This is not the usual. Or so I'd like to believe. I've wondered about this for some time now, since I'm getting the impression more and more that one of my teachers thinks I do have ADHD in spite of me telling her that I've been to countless psychologists who all wrote a big fat "NO" in the ADHD box.

And well, it's not just an impression. She's even just said straight out "Well, one would think that you do have ADHD.. You behave like one" As a response to me saying "My previous teacher had my tested for ADHD" As well as several 'lines' like that. So I am wondering, not if I had ADHD. because I know I do not. But what in my behaviour makes her feel so strongly and act so opiniated on the matter?

Of course you cannot be expected to know how I'm behaving. But what I'm asking is; Is there a common correlation between INTP behaviour and ADHD behaviour? Why do people keep associating me with a person who 'suffers' from ADHD? Is it my need for conflict? The way take the opposing opinion on principle, to challenge the thesis with my antithesis. To create synthesis. Alot of teachers don't agree with that sort of behaviour. They like having the class on a train. Running on their tracks. (This teacher is particularly bad on this part) And when people start looking for 'synthesis' through an antithesis. It requires us to stop, or even get off the train. I'll even oppose my own thesis most of the times, so I'm not just going against just for the heck of it. I think it's an important tool for gaining knowledge.
Back on-topic.

As I already asked. Why do people keep drawing the conlussion that I must have ADHD. (even though several people in the field of psychology have said no) What's so special about my behaviour? Or INTP behaviour that makes me/us so ADHD-ish?

 

[Cogwulf]

As a wild guess, you don't get diagnosed by professionals because you can concentrate when you want to.

 

[Lobstrich]

As a wild guess, you don't get diagnosed by professionals because you can concentrate when you want to.

I never mentioned that I couldn't concentrate.

 

[Cogwulf]

I mean that your teachers may get the impression that you aren't able to concentrate on what they want to tell you

 

[Lobstrich]

I mean that your teachers may get the impression that you aren't able to concentrate on what they want to tell you

Yes, they do. They feel as if everything I say is irrelevant, since for it to be relevant we are required to "stop the train"

 

[TylerRDA]

I think there's a definite correlation between being an INTx and the Triad of Idiopathic Psychological Illnesses (as I like to call it): Autism, AD(H)D, and OCD.

First, let us make some assumptions:
-Every individual uses each of the 8 functions of the MBTI; the MBTI type indicated preference.
-Personality traits are heritable and have a neurobiological basis to a statistically significant degree.
-Personality traits and psychological illness occur along a spectrum of intensity.
-There is a scientifically verifiable range of 'normal' human functioning.
-Non-traumatic psychological illness and personality differences are only distinguished by the trait's ability to inhibit the individual's daily functioning.
-Any personality trait could be considered a psychological illness given enough intensity and resistance to change.

Now, let us examine each of the I, N, and T aspects and their implications upon the personality.

Introversion
I don't need to explain I/E, we all know it. The West is an extroverted society, approximately 60/40. Thus the mean score on the I/E distribution would be skewed toward the E side, and thus the normal range of functioning would fall closer to the E side.

Those with very high Introversion scores would have trouble functioning within the Extroverted society. Adolescence requires copious amounts of Extroversion, given the kids are at school for 7+ hours a day. This also creates a snowball effect, because an Introvert who does not get his or her 'alone time' can generate huge amounts of stress and lead to depression, which is universally acknowledged as comorbid with more psychological illnesses than any other.

iNtuition
The iNtuitive thinker sees past the obvious and seeks to understand the reasons behind observable phenomena.

A common pitfall of iNtutive thinkers is ignoring the obvious and giving more concern to the unobservable. Those with an excessive preference for iNtuition would have trouble focusing on the mundane day-to-day tasks that substantiate independent living, because they are so uninteresting and therefore take more effort to focus on.

Thinking
The Thinker values objectivity when decision-making. Emotional detachment is key to the process.

It is unclear if the preference for emotional detachment is used on a as-needed basis. Those with an excessive preference for Thinking would, needless to say, remain in a detached state which would inhibit social functioning. Feeling is essential to social interaction.

And the list goes on...

 

[Lobstrich]

I think there's a definite correlation between being an INTx and the Triad of Idiopathic Psychological Illnesses (as I like to call it): Autism, AD(H)D, and OCD.

First, let us make some assumptions:
-Every individual uses each of the 8 functions of the MBTI; the MBTI type indicated preference.
-Personality traits are heritable and have a neurobiological basis to a statistically significant degree.
-Personality traits and psychological illness occur along a spectrum of intensity.
-There is a scientifically verifiable range of 'normal' human functioning.
-Non-traumatic psychological illness and personality differences are only distinguished by the trait's ability to inhibit the individual's daily functioning.
-Any personality trait could be considered a psychological illness given enough intensity and resistance to change.

Now, let us examine each of the I, N, and T aspects and their implications upon the personality.

Introversion
I don't need to explain I/E, we all know it. The West is an extroverted society, approximately 60/40. Thus the mean score on the I/E distribution would be skewed toward the E side, and thus the normal range of functioning would fall closer to the E side.

Those with very high Introversion scores would have trouble functioning within the Extroverted society. Adolescence requires copious amounts of Extroversion, given the kids are at school for 7+ hours a day. This also creates a snowball effect, because an Introvert who does not get his or her 'alone time' can generate huge amounts of stress and lead to depression, which is universally acknowledged as comorbid with more psychological illnesses than any other.

iNtuition
The iNtuitive thinker sees past the obvious and seeks to understand the reasons behind observable phenomena.

A common pitfall of iNtutive thinkers is ignoring the obvious and giving more concern to the unobservable. Those with an excessive preference for iNtuition would have trouble focusing on the mundane day-to-day tasks that substantiate independent living, because they are so uninteresting and therefore take more effort to focus on.

Thinking
The Thinker values objectivity when decision-making. Emotional detachment is key to the process.

It is unclear if the preference for emotional detachment is used on a as-needed basis. Those with an excessive preference for Thinking would, needless to say, remain in a detached state which would inhibit social functioning. Feeling is essential to social interaction.

And the list goes on...

You're 'list' is very spot on (especially N) for me personally. Except for the depression stuff. I just felt uncormfortable in school, I always have.

 

[Bird]

Lobsty, the fact that you knew
we would be exasperated by
you bringing up ADHD and INTPs
again that you felt the need
to add a bit of a disclaimer to
encourage us really makes me
quite happy and amused. (:

 

[Lobstrich]

Lobsty, the fact that you knew
we would be exasperated by
you bringing up ADHD and INTPs
again that you felt the need
to add a bit of a disclaimer to
encourage us really makes me
quite happy and amused. (:

Well it wasn't intended for comic, but laughing is always good. So good =)

I have not brought up INTP's/ADHD before though. I've just noticed alot of people have, which is why I made the "disclaimer"

 

[Bird]

Well it wasn't intended for comic, but laughing is always good. So good =)

I have not brought up INTP's/ADHD before though. I've just noticed alot of people have, which is why I made the "disclaimer"

I know, that's what I meant.
I didn't mean you singular
but you plural :P .


I had a feeling I would have
to elaborate on this. (;

 

[Lobstrich]

I know, that's what I meant.
I didn't mean you singular
but you plural :P .


I had a feeling I would have
to elaborate on this. (;

One should always be prepared to eloborate when one insist on writing in a specific way. =)

 

[pjoa09]

I think we could easily mistaken because we tend to get bored easily. I still ponder over the possibility of inattentive ADHD but I have to admit that when I drive I drive and when I used to play basketball I played basketball. Just when I am doing redundant tasks I can miss a couple of steps easily due to inattentiveness.

Wish you could just say "I am INTP, bitch." and she'd be like "Oh fuck yeah who am I kidding, giving him illegal speed drugs won't help".

 

[TheHmmmm]

I think we could easily mistaken because we tend to get bored easily. I still ponder over the possibility of inattentive ADHD but I have to admit that when I drive I drive and when I used to play basketball I played basketball. Just when I am doing redundant tasks I can miss a couple of steps easily due to inattentiveness.

Wish you could just say "I am INTP, bitch." and she'd be like "Oh fuck yeah who am I kidding, giving him illegal speed drugs won't help".

I don't know why INTP's seem to think that this boredom is unique to them. For the vast majority of people, school's boring as shit, jobs are boring as shit. However, unlike INTP's who have a bent for coming to forums and complaining about how no one "gets" their boredom, most people just suck it up and deal.

Don't like it? Fine. Don't want to do it? Also fine. Just accept the consequences. Damn people.

//is sick of posts complaining about how hard life is when you don't do anything //because it's so boring and beneath your abilities.

 

[pjoa09]

I don't know why INTP's seem to think that this boredom is unique to them. For the vast majority of people, school's boring as shit, jobs are boring as shit. However, unlike INTP's who have a bent for coming to forums and complaining about how no one "gets" their boredom, most people just suck it up and deal.

Don't like it? Fine. Don't want to do it? Also fine. Just accept the consequences. Damn people.

//is sick of posts complaining about how hard life is when you don't do anything //because it's so boring and beneath your abilities.

I just have difficulty paying attention to things I frequently do and on some other event I have mentioned that I have frequently forgotten my books, assignments, and difficulty with organization.

I even pay attention and eventually zone out against my own will during and spent hours on wikipedia clicking through links when I was supposed to be researching.

And I spend time on this forum simply because of that and ended up here because of that.

I have practiced math so much that I actually forgot how to do it.

I am just saying that these traits put together can look appear as symptoms of ADHD.

 

[SpaceYeti]

ADHD is actually a chemical difference in your brain. It's thought to be caused by the necessity of more stimulus, or a higher stimulus threshold, for the effected person. That's why stimulants are used to calm them down. If the drugs used to treat ADHD don't work on you, you don't have it.

 

[Lobstrich]

ADHD is actually a chemical difference in your brain. It's thought to be caused by the necessity of more stimulus, or a higher stimulus threshold, for the effected person. That's why stimulants are used to calm them down. If the drugs used to treat ADHD don't work on you, you don't have it.

The thing is I've never been medicated for anything but pneumonia. So that includes no medication for ADHD. Which is because the psychologists that my teachers have had me talk to, all concluded that I do not have ADHD.
So I really think I do not have it, and I will continue to believe so, even though I've never been medicated for it (and the medication not helping)


But yeah, I get your point, hehe.