INTPS and INTJS

[Bijection]

Hi guys! I'm a 21 Italian INTP (as I recently found out lol).

I grew up in a small town and was the only dude with my personality around so I actually thought I was pretty much of a one-of-a-kind... Luckily, the internets proved me very wrong :P

One of my best (and few) buddies back at high school was clearly an INTJ, and while in general I had the tendencies to be more creative, find "better methodical ways to achieve stuff" (in school, playing music and girls), understand people better and like everyone for who they are, he's always been "better" than me in all areas of life simply because he is way more focused on the results than on the quality of the process to achieve said results.

By this I mean higher grades, better relationships (both loving ones and friendship ones) with people, ecc.


He enjoyed my company and I enjoyed his (nerdy stuff, prog music, maths, you get the idea) but he always was the one leading the conversation while I was "just" contribuiting to it. He's obviously a leader while I'm just.. kind of standing around rofl.

What I'm concerned about is, are we doomed to be outclassed in life by INTJs because of their focus on practical results or does there actually exist something we can do to overcome our lazyness and love of knowledge for the sake of itself in order to get less bad, um, stuff, happen to us in life? Like, getting less distracted by different possibilities, seeking less approval from others in relationships, imposing our personality more and leading others, stuff like that, or should we just stick to ourselves trusting that being who we are will make us happier than trying to expand in areas which are not exactly our own?

I apologise for my possibly poor english and hope to have posted something that isn't too boring in the right place (please tell me I'm ok, I need your approval to feel worthy of interacting! but really, I do. Lol)

 

[Anktark]

I think it's impractical to try and direct all your resources to improve your weak spots and forget/neglect your strengths. On average, INTJs will outperform INTPs when it comes to following through and/or providing tangible results. Likewise, ESFPs will outclass INTPs in socializing. That said, don't use being INTP as an excuse for failure or giving up.
Understanding your thinking process(es) and how it differs from other people's can help one immensely.
Basically, be aware of your shortcomings and use your strengths. A good INTP can do things that other types cannot distinguish from magic.

 

[Teax]

Hi guys! I'm a 21 Italian INTP (as I recently found out lol).

you recently found out you were Italian?

I agree with Anktark. Additionally, the solution to some of your problems lies in the redefinition of what you perceive as good. like e.g. lazyness? check this out

 

[mooncrater]

INTJs have great ability to progress rapidly. Sometimes, this progress is in areas quite meaningless to others, and can actually be counterproductive. They have problems understanding when progress in one area can hurt progress in another.

INTPs analyze things anew at each step. This isn't so useful when your repertoire of knowledge and experience is limited (by age primarily). This makes INTPs late bloomers. Definitely not non-bloomers. The momentum of your breadth of knowledge will take time to develop. Let it.

 

[Bijection]

you recently found out you were Italian?

I agree with Anktark. Additionally, the solution to some of your problems lies in the redefinition of what you perceive as good. like e.g. lazyness? check this out

Yeah I always thought I was from Mars or something man

That topic was fucking awesome, I now value my "lazyness" and feel cool about it.

Still I wish I was getting more girls. But hey.

 

[TheManBeyond]

you recently found out you were Italian?

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hehehe my exact thoughts buddy thumps uppp :P

 

[Sirach2:5]

I am an infj however my f and j preference is very sight and I have tested intj and intp at differint phases in my life.

I think that neither one is better than the other. Feel like in the feild of battle an INTJ will be a much better at building an overall plan and carrying it out than an INTP will however because they are more spontaneous and and like winging it the INTP can all the sudden throw a wild card into play that dismantles the INTJs plan.

A perfect example of this is the final fight between sherlock holmes(intp) and professor Moriarty(iNTJ) in the movie a game of shadows.

Both Sherlock and the Professor plan out the fight in their heads and in the end the both agreed the professor would win the fight and he was the superior strategist. However instead of fighting holms latched onto him and they both went over the edge killing them both. This was a move that did not even cross Moriarty's mind he calculated the most likely responses from holmes and how to combat them. This move was so of the wall crazy a tactition like Moriarty wouldn't consider it. Holmes was spontaneous and creative and when he saw the inevitable conclusion of the fight he played a wild card and killed Moriarty with a move he never saw coming. Also the love of wisdom had ment holmes had studied how to survive such a fall and came out alive from an apparently suicidal move. His love of knowledge allowed him to posses information Moriarty did not and come up with a move that Moriarty saw as illogical and spelled his doom.

If an intj runs into an area where the studious intp has more knowledge and can adapt a move the intj did not calculate he can win. Unlike the infj the intj can develop these master plans but has trouble seeing the motives and the driving factors of others which causes them to apply a move that does not fit the INTJ's relentless logic. When this happens the INTJ will be slower to adapt and creat a new plan than the INTP will. When this happens the INTP needs to act fast and use his advantage of adaptation to destroy the INTJ before they can develop a new plan.

To defeat an INTJ throw in an unexpected move that undermines his logic and disrupts his plan because he has likely already developed a plan to counter your most logical moves

 

[Bijection]

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Totally agree on that. INTPs are likely to fuck up INTJs in confronting situations by being crazy off the wall spontaneous outside the box bitches. Happened many times in my life, also, Light and L from Death Note.

 

[Sirach2:5]

hehehe my exact thoughts buddy thumps uppp :P

Therapist joe says

"Italians are from Italy"

 

[Jennywocky]

Totally agree on that. INTPs are likely to fuck up INTJs in confronting situations by being crazy off the wall spontaneous outside the box bitches. Happened many times in my life, also, Light and L from Death Note.

I agree too.

TP flexibility/adaptability -- we can throw a wrench into things, then play off the actual parameters of a given situation in real time and see where to go with them. It's "flexible" logic versus the TJ approach which seems to need to have hard rules and logic. We adjust to the situation rather than trying to force/control the situation to accommodate us.

I think young INTPs are more rigid -- they try to prethink everything to "control" things. (I remember being that way.) I think getting more Ne in there (plus Si past experience) provides some flexibility as well as confidence in our own ability to roll with the punches and change things up and still remain on top.

 

[Yellow]

^^ ^We really do seem to become more flexible with age.

Anyway, I'd say that we both have our advantages. Being an INTP, I like the way INTPs go about things. I'm sure an INTJ would argue. Either way, we hardly play second fiddle to them.

While they are planning, we are thinking. When things don't go as planned, an INTJ has to recoup. Nothing really changes for us. Sure, if things go wrong over and over we may lose confidence, but so will an INTJ.

Also, while they are always driving toward some goal, we are enjoying the variety of life. An INTJ will say he is happy always working, but obsession isn't happiness. We know how to take a break and relax.

Finally, while the INTJ is putting all of her energy into learning and perfecting something in particular, we are gathering a matrix of knowledge in a number of subjects. We get half-way to expertise in a dozen areas while they become experts in one or two areas. So, if we really need to change career paths or learn a new skill, INTPs have the basics down already. INTJs have to start over from scratch: a very daunting task for any J.

Most importantly, if we ever are pitted against each other, we (INTP) can pretty easily see what they (INTJ) are about to do next, but they only know what they are expecting us to do. By this I mean that an INTJ may manipulate a situation and it will work against just about anyone. But INTPs are clever, we are not prone to manipulation in general, and we are relatively unpredictable.

By the way, I always thought that Holmes was an INTJ too.