Why are so few INTPs on this forum.

[ZenRaiden]

I think the traffic on this forum used be like 30 posters if not more for a good amount of time.
Even recently there was huge spike in people.
Now days there is like 2 5 posters talking anyone time.
You don't forums would attract INTPs, where are these INTPs?

 

[EndogenousRebel]

There are probably better forums we don't know about. I would think that an INTP is more likely to want to be around people who aren't like minded, and come back to like minded people when they are tired of that.

 

[ZenRaiden]

There are probably better forums we don't know about. I would think that an INTP is more likely to want to be around people who aren't like minded, and come back to like minded people when they are tired of that.

Yeah I like to think too.

 

[Hadoblado]

This forum has always been populated primarily by people who at some point considered INTP as a category within which they fit. Not INTPs per se. There has also always been a large confound of mental health and neurodivergence.

When I was here before, I considered INTP the best label for me even though I didn't believe in MBTI. Not everyone agreed but a fair number did. Nowadays I relate more to the INTJ description. The main shift has been from passivity to proactivity.

I agree with Endo that there are other, better places for people who fit the INTP description. I see this place as somewhere that people go to work stuff out about themselves, or as a procrastination stop. We are basically unmoderated, and the culture of the place is defined by the whims of the most active posters.

 

[scorpiomover]

This forum has always been populated primarily by people who at some point considered INTP as a category within which they fit. Not INTPs per se.

So, like everywhere else?

There has also always been a large confound of mental health and neurodivergence. When I was here before, I considered INTP the best label for me even though I didn't believe in MBTI. Not everyone agreed but a fair number did. Nowadays I relate more to the INTJ description. The main shift has been from passivity to proactivity.

If you don't care about anyone's feelings anymore, and constantly brag to people about you're better than everyone else, then you would sound more like an INTJ.

If you just get more things done these days, then you sound like you're in recovery from depression & anxiety.

I agree with Endo that there are other, better places for people who fit the INTP description.

Like where? r/INTP?

We are basically unmoderated, and the culture of the place is defined by the whims of the most active posters.

On most of the www, the most active posters are the SJWs, or the far-right Nazis.

 

[Hadoblado]

Those behaviours are one expression of the personality cluster I'm talking about. It's the base drives that I share with these people, flawed and otherwise. No matter.

Better places than here for INTPs? Places that support people in pursuing their interests (IMO not including MBTI though you probably disagree). Examples for my interests would be a speculative biology, psychology, sociology, engineering, or writing forum.

In fact, I think a broad psychology or even more specifically personality/psychometrics forum would serve the self-reflective function but give people more room to grow.

 

[Drvladivostok]

The problem with this is the lack of people running and promoting this forum, this web will never die since there will always be an INTP that is trying to find people who are the same wave-length but it can stagnate, there is no functioning moderator team and no one in charge of making new interesting programs.

I blame the lack of financial incentives, people need to actively want and have the ability to make this site flourish, and you gotta have a carrot in front of their face. No one is generating enough revenue by making Sponsored Posts, Generating Leads or Subscriptions.

MBTI based website like PDB and personality forum have variation of people talking about non-variety of things, one one is discussing philosophy specifically in PDB (ar as in depth here).

This site have our leads in that the interface support a close knit same minded community making very variant and very deep discussion. The problem is we need more promotions. But then again we have a very limited market.

 

[Kuu]

The internet is dead, replaced by bots and NPCs.

All the real INTPs escaped to the off-world colonies, leaving this forsaken midwit planet forever. We are still working on the orbital nuclear barrage to put it out of its misery.

 

[Rook]

yes plz destroy me

 

[Jennywocky]

The internet is dead, replaced by bots and NPCs.

All the real INTPs escaped to the off-world colonies, leaving this forsaken midwit planet forever. We are still working on the orbital nuclear barrage to put it out of its misery.

-- bzzt -- only caught -- bit of this transmissi -- solar flare mak -- bzzt -- signal getting los -- don't kno -- long this has to get thru -- had to kill tech crew to get comm tower acces -- bots beating on outer door now so -- hey are comin -- think the answer is as follo.....bzzzzttttt

*signal lost*

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

intp is fake news and everyone is an npc except me

 

[scorpiomover]

intp is fake news and everyone is an npc except me

 

[dr froyd]

intp is fake news and everyone is an npc except me

this joke doesnt work when you actually have npc opinions on every conceivable subject

 

[dr froyd]

if you consider the ideal of an INTP - someone who has original ideas based on reason - this forum shows how fucking far from the ideal we are lol. There are a couple though

 

[Grayman]

intp is fake news and everyone is an npc except me

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Where did you get those pictures of me?!

 

[scorpiomover]

intp is fake news and everyone is an npc except me

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Where did you get those pictures of me?!

The internet. Apparently, you're everywhere on the net. You must be famous.

 

[Grayman]

I think the traffic on this forum used be like 30 posters if not more for a good amount of time.
Even recently there was huge spike in people.
Now days there is like 2 5 posters talking anyone time.
You don't forums would attract INTPs, where are these INTPs?

New people walking the same path thinking it's new.

But for me, Im kind of reduced to reading the back cover of the book and thinking I know how it's going to end.

Why we don't have any new immigrants? Probably because people go were the party is. Or maybe the food isn't spicy enough.

 

[Black Rose]

INTP generally do not like forums where they cannot discuss logical things. To the INTP an MBTI form is just boreing. They'd rather create systems than share knowledge. Unless they are really into MBTI which is more an ENTP thing they think of logical structures they can improve and make their own (Ti). Very independent they don't need others to validate their ideas or improve them. Really the Ti function is sufficient for them. Ti is a judgment function. Perceivers take in information and it settles in them. Judgment tests/decides. So the INTP will only confirm through Fe what people think f the logic structure Ti came up with and guide that to a societal goal. recruitment. Ne is why ENTP love debates because it creates new information they can absorb and deconstruct (Ti). Ne in the INTP is dedicated to a Ti model. The model is built until more information is needed. Then Ne s selective in what is needed to expand the model. ENTP absorbs more than spending time building models. Ti is in service of Ne trying to expand information gathering open-ended. ENTP love forums.

 

[Black Rose]

Ray Kurzweil is INTP

 

[Old Things]

intp is fake news and everyone is an npc except me

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I LOL'd at this. Very funny. It's just so gosh dang accurate.

 

[ZenRaiden]

if you consider the ideal of an INTP - someone who has original ideas based on reason - this forum shows how fucking far from the ideal we are lol. There are a couple though

Why would people share original ideas anyway.
Also ideas are not that impressive if they are just ideas.
Having million original ideas and doing anything with them is the curse of XNTP.

Reasoning is also quality that comes and go.
I think the stereotype of constantly rational person is bit too much.
Most days you just work on autopilot, because you cannot just constantly be reasonable or original.
I also think what is deemed reasonable depends on who interprets it.

For example here is a thing from life.
I was in Chemistry class and one guy was totally adamant that the value of chemical has to be exactly as prescribed.
I was bit surprised as it made sense to me, but I knew the amount of chemical prescribed was probably not exact to being with.

So who was reasonable. Id say he was more reasonable in strict Chemistry approach sense. You have to have the right values.
But I was more reasonable in the outcome.
Everyone in the room got the exact same product, whether it was 1 mililitera up or down in the glass.

So when people talk on internet they often forget that a lot of people most of them time bring with them their own assumptions.
These assumptions might be reasonable to them, not so much to others.

I also think INTP can assume and analyze and change assumptions on different basis.

But if you get random sample of people on forum you better not expect easy discussion where people are reasonable.

As assumptions formulate our own understanding of the world.

Logical approach is to start from axioms. That is simple truth statements.
Not many people reason this way.

I see this approach say in @scorpiomover posts, where he makes a axiomatic statement. That seems or is logical and works from that.
I don't do that often, because I often am blind to fact people work from other assumptions.

The thing I noticed most people hide assumptions whether consciously or unconsciously.

It makes communication harder.
You have to have common ground to make talking easy, but very few people can figure out what that common ground its.
Therefore reasoning of people often seems wrong even if it is not.

Another problem is that people are already born and live in assumptions so when you reason with them they are not aware of them socially, culturally, even in science and of course religion.

 

[scorpiomover]

if you consider the ideal of an INTP - someone who has original ideas based on reason - this forum shows how fucking far from the ideal we are lol. There are a couple though

Are you saying that someone who has original ideas based on reason is far from the ideal?

Or are you saying that most forum posters on this site are not people who have original ideas based on reason, either because they don't have original ideas, or their original ideas are not based on reason?

 

[dr froyd]

i was probably in a bad mood when i wrote that post, ignore it

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

It's kinda strange to me how most people on this forum are conservatives with a kooky assortment of anti-western, manosphere, anti-lgbt, conspiracy and religious views. And they're also the most prolific users around.

I was going to say a "handful", but there's less than 10 people in total so that wouldn't mean anything. There's literally only two to three people left here who I would consider as having a balanced approach and open mind.

It feels a lot like the conservatives who like to debate don't have their own place on the internet so they look everywhere for shelter, including here.

 

[ZenRaiden]

It's kinda strange to me how most people on this forum are conservatives with a kooky assortment of anti-western, manosphere, anti-lgbt, conspiracy and religious views. And they're also the most prolific users around.

I was going to say a "handful", but there's less than 10 people in total so that wouldn't mean anything. There's literally only two to three people left here who I would consider as having a balanced approach and open mind.

It feels a lot like the conservatives who like to debate don't have their own place on the internet so they look everywhere for shelter, including here.

If you talk like conservative you don't have to be conservative.
But if you think like one you will invariably become one.
Eventually.

 

[Black Rose]

I would consider as having a balanced approach

balanced doesn't actually mean you have a good way of knowing how to come to a conclusion.

in asymmetric warfare, the side that can understand the key junctions are the one with the potential for actually winning.

deconstruction and construction are both needed to balance things.

I am crazy for building models of reality that don't exist yet?

I am crazy because of the way I think? my cognitive functions and all that?

The asymmetry lies in the fact that I understand reality better than people who call me crazy.

That call me unbalanced.

At some point, it becomes a matter of values, not logic because it was due to logic I would not be called crazy and unbalanced.

the bots are like: "That's not logical".

and I am like: "That's because you're a robot and have no cognitive empathy, your autistic".

So neither side wins. I just need to give up because a robot will never understand.

But I don't because even if bots only follow logic they can be programmed to be ethical.

ethical bots are better than balanced non-ethical ones.

we all need to make this world a better place so I am doing my part.

I am crazy after all.

 

[nEIght]

I am a unicorn, and I am magic, and I am a beautiful creature made of fucking sunshine and rainbows and good feelings

 

[Drvladivostok]

It's kinda strange to me how most people on this forum are conservatives with a kooky assortment of anti-western, manosphere, anti-lgbt, conspiracy and religious views. And they're also the most prolific users around.

This made me chuckle, there's an old internet adage that an unmoderated and unlimited forum will always become right-wing.

The Explanation goes that since the Left wing has become mainstream in the west, then right-wingers can only seek refuge freely on the internet, the anti-right wing NPC 'Globohomo' narrative has effectively created a Streisand effect for Right Wingers to flourish underground.

It feels a lot like the conservatives who like to debate don't have their own place on the internet so they look everywhere for shelter, including here.

Funny because I've been banned from Reddit.

I am a unicorn, and I am magic, and I am a beautiful creature made of fucking sunshine and rainbows and good feelings

Welcome to The INTPForum, take a bible with you, you might encounter a Cryptofaschist here.

 

[scorpiomover]

It's kinda strange to me how most people on this forum are conservatives with a kooky assortment of anti-western, manosphere, anti-lgbt, conspiracy and religious views. And they're also the most prolific users around.

I was going to say a "handful", but there's less than 10 people in total so that wouldn't mean anything. There's literally only two to three people left here who I would consider as having a balanced approach and open mind.

Most sites seem to be pro-western, feminist, pro-lgbt, anti-conspiracy and anti-religious views. INTPs are like, 6% of the population, and so there's probably tons of INTPs on those other sites. If you think all of them are balanced and open-minded, and most of the ones here are not, why on Earth wouldn't you want to go to those other sites and spend all your time there and not here?

Do the 2-3 people on this forum who you think have a balanced approach and open minds, have beer-flavoured nipples or something?

It feels a lot like the conservatives who like to debate don't have their own place on the internet so they look everywhere for shelter, including here.

There are plenty of conservative sites where conservatives can go. If the posters here were that conservative, they'd go there and stay there.

 

[TransientMoment]

It's kinda strange to me how most people on this forum are conservatives with a kooky assortment of anti-western, manosphere, anti-lgbt, conspiracy and religious views. And they're also the most prolific users around.

I was going to say a "handful", but there's less than 10 people in total so that wouldn't mean anything. There's literally only two to three people left here who I would consider as having a balanced approach and open mind.

It feels a lot like the conservatives who like to debate don't have their own place on the internet so they look everywhere for shelter, including here.

What a great comment to get a bunch of responses.

I think some of the reason is that INTPs are very perceptive. INTPs in general are actually pretty balanced, so if you swing too hard in one direction, they will show you why you're wrong and - to extremists - they will look like extreme opposition.

Also, INTPs are pretty open to comment and debate. They aren't the wackos who suppress free speech, and the ones that are work for facebook or some other crappy mega-corp. INTPs generally tolerate lots of views. It's food for thought. As long as we can leave what's on the forum on the forum, we're usually ok with dissention. Dissent is part of life.
This is probably one of the few forums on the internet that doesn't need moderation.

 

[Old Things]

It feels a lot like the conservatives who like to debate don't have their own place on the internet so they look everywhere for shelter, including here.

What gives you that idea?

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

It's kinda strange to me how most people on this forum are conservatives with a kooky assortment of anti-western, manosphere, anti-lgbt, conspiracy and religious views. And they're also the most prolific users around.

This made me chuckle, there's an old internet adage that an unmoderated and unlimited forum will always become right-wing.

The Explanation goes that since the Left wing has become mainstream in the west, then right-wingers can only seek refuge freely on the internet, the anti-right wing NPC 'Globohomo' narrative has effectively created a Streisand effect for Right Wingers to flourish underground.

It feels a lot like the conservatives who like to debate don't have their own place on the internet so they look everywhere for shelter, including here.

Funny because I've been banned from Reddit.

This is totally ok. I respect your integrity and humorous response without acting offended

You appear genuine and have class unlike a number of people.

I see no problem with myself being center or left on some issues and talking to the right views. Always good to learn and understand how others think.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Do the 2-3 people on this forum who you think have a balanced approach and open minds, have beer-flavoured nipples or something?

I didn't taste their nipples yet. Still working on it... Will post an update once I get there. It's frustrating how overprotective of their nipples people usually are :/

Seeing as you speak from experience how many people with flavoured nips do you know and do they always taste like beer? Would love to share stories

 

[EndogenousRebel]

I have had terrible dreams if you wanna hear about it.

 

[scorpiomover]

Do the 2-3 people on this forum who you think have a balanced approach and open minds, have beer-flavoured nipples or something?

I didn't taste their nipples yet. Still working on it... Will post an update once I get there. It's frustrating how overprotective of their nipples people usually are :/

Seeing as you speak from experience how many people with flavoured nips do you know and do they always taste like beer? Would love to share stories

It was an expression from a film I like ("10 things I hate about you").
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[saucer]

The OP question is interesting. This may be the 5th or 6th public iteration of an INTP forum I've found & little has changed over time since my first findings & interactions.

My two takeaways:
1) Members gravitate into tribal groups quickly & within them form social groups & hierarchies of varying intensity & depth, with some meeting personally. This behavior is also evidenced in LinkedIn, Twitter, et al professional & quasi-professional networking & social sites.
2) Members gravitate to restrictable subforums some with vice related themes -- gambling, sex, illicit drugs, et al.

One would consider these things to reflect human behavioral norms, ironically. I mean, there's NO metropolitan city or human society in the world that can't be seen as exhibiting the same or similar things, and it always made me wonder about the value & efficacy of MBTI nevermind analytical psychology in its dissections & discriminations of personalities & any personality distributions.

Maybe I'm not giving personality distinctions & distributions enough credit despite that we all "bleed red". But I think the reason for lack of participation in, say, this forum is twofold:
1) especially due to the recent covid pandemic, there has been an acceleration in online entertainment & participation -- i.e., INTP forums today have more & more robust competition.
2) there are too few INTP personalities in at least the developed world where the internet & participatory systems exist for robust, continual monetary exploitation -- i.e., it's simply not a profitable endeavor.

Evidence is mounting that INTP themed forums are a profitable "dead end". But then, I argued this many years ago & pissed off the mods hoping for better. They might have made some money but considering all the INTP forum destinies so far I doubt it was much if anything.

It's too bad because I was lucky to participate in one memorable yet small forum (maybe 8 participants but none of us were recruited) that was very sophisticated, had very deep thinkers & was deeply rooted in analytical psychology -- best I can describe it in a nutshell is imagining sitting in a circle with a group of people brought together by Peter Gabriel's "Rhythm of the Heat" but otherwise unable to stand one other & would never get caught acknowledging each other publicly lol. A "secret society" of sorts but with no explicit purpose or malicious intent.

Especially after 9/11 though that kind of human interaction has (naturally) become far more difficult to sponsor & maintain expecially for the "rarified" types among us. But especially for INTPs & the other rare personalities with less-than robust strength to express ANYTHING, profit opportunities in championing that personality alone are small to nonexistent.

I mean, look at Albert Einstein. Princeton University could do little with him but let him just loaf their campus.