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Parenting an INTP: videogames and free time

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In case you don't know, I'm an INTP parenting a ... you guessed it, INTP. Which has its plusses and minuses, as parenting always does.

My son is 10, and he likes to play video games and with his LEGO's. He doesn't like sports (other than some weight lifting and maybe fencing), gets bored practicing the piano, really dislikes school, and likes photography a bit as I've encouraged him there. We don't have a TV but we watch a Netflix movie (usually StarTrek, a science show (Discovery Channel kind of thing), or some kid cartoon) once or twice at night. He's reading Lord of the Rings and has finished the first book. He has a number of good friends that he loves to see, but as we have to set up playdates during the summer doesn't see them as much as he would like. We take him out a lot (camping, visiting museums and other cultural activities) throughout the year.

So we're (INFJ wife and I) wondering if he's on the computer too much. He loves the morning and gets until noon to play when the parental controls bump him off. After a few hour break during which he reads or plays, I'll usually give him another hour or two. My INFJ especially worries that he's on the computer too much, but he wants to grow up to be an engineer just like dad, and we're also spending time doing some scripting and learning programming. I wonder, what would he be doing instead?

I debate the value in letting him be on the computer. My INFJ doesn't quite understand how much the INTP needs to feed his brain and curiosity. The internet is a great source for that. But I am also wondering about too much of a good thing.

  • How much should a INTP kid be on the computer?
  • What are the best INTP childhood activities?
  • How did you spend your childhood?
 

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Not sure how long on computer I was given like 2 hours a week for games when I was young more for other stuff but this was a different time and everything moves so fast. Until noon seems fine as long as he is active in everything else I guess.

Not even sure about best childhood activities but I fenced as well. Weightlifting sounds like a bad idea at a young age though... I got bored with the piano as well. But if you find a music thing he is interested in might be good as I wish I could play something now.

I spent my childhood jumping off rock slides swiming in swamps and beating everyone at sports.

That said I know nothing about raising children and would be a horrible yet awesome father.
 

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http://www.telltalegames.com/
This is a nice site of adventure games. (old-school like Lucas Arts.)
If you guys watch Walking Dead, there's a series of games about that as well.

oh, and there was something called Code-Hero,
http://primerlabs.com/codehero/ which might be cool to explore together.


How's he at mathematics ?




I think weight-lifting sounds like a good idea.
if the basics are laid in early age, there's life-long (and prolonging) benefits to be gained.
(as long as he doesn't get compulsive about it... which I guess is unlikely in an INTP.)



There's a few brilliant games which are very good for exploring and actually kinda challenging;
Stuff like Fez (which deals with the concept of Higher dimensions, in the game it goes from 2 to 3 dimensions, while also alluding the path to 4 dimensions.)

and there's the game called Braid, which deals with Time, and also has a Story revolving around the first Atom-Bomb (referring to Oppenheimer and such... Really cool.) Basically it allows you to reverse time.



Then there's always Reading.
I started reading Discworld around 13.

That's a long series of books which mature really well, as well as indirectly tackle "mature" subjects.
 

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Hm. Have you tried painting/digital art with him? As a child, I found digital art to be really amazing. Lots of different brushes, layers, etc. It teaches composition, color theory, and it reinforces visual imagination (which would be great for anybody going into engineering).

Have you tried any Martial Arts with him? It's good exercise, generally thought to be fun, and there are plenty of forms to learn. Also teaches dedication/focus. Even something like tai chi could be fun (though a bit slow for a kid) in the sense that you can teach him how to break down his body into force diagrams and calculate his center of gravity.

And I know that you push piano on him, but has he played around with wind instruments? Have you taught him basic harmony? As an INTP I never loved playing classical piano, but jazz and composition (which grants improv skills) were central to my life.

What about Greek/Roman mythology? I think Myth is actually very captivating for a young INTP and a bit more meaningful than modern comics. I remember that my school library had quite a bit of it when I was his age.



Or, you could be like my parents and give him a copy of The Republic and a bookshelf than only had encyclopedias and classics in it. I can't guarantee that it'd be healthy for him, though. =P
 

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He loves to draw (paper and pen) and make comics. He's pretty widely read actually, people comment on how sophisticated his vocabulary is. Just like me his reading comprehension is off the charts. He likes algebra too, just hates all the rote learning they try to cram into you. And he's a born atheist. He did do martial arts and loved it, until he 'got it' and got bored.

Jah, thanks for the links.
 

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weightlifting...? ew.

  • How much should a INTP kid be on the computer?


  • As much as he/she wants. 2 days straight or an entire month? No problem. But I highly recommend a friend or two to form what could be known as "the league of computer addicts" as the activity does nothing to improve social comprehension. (My english, not so good)

    I don't think being on the computer, for any extended period, is such a destructive element in an INTPs life. I think it's a phase most introverted intuitives go through, at least where I'm from it seems normal (excluding a few cases or two). They would eventually grow out of it methinks.

    [*]What are the best INTP childhood activities?
    It depends on the child. It would be great if the child is already focusing on interests that are more academic, then you would have a very useful childhood activity.

    For most folks, Videogames I would recommend. These things, I would argue, as things that actually develop the mind well. From my perspective, learning in school has vital similarities with playing videogames. I consider them both fun and cerebrally engaging. But then again, it all depends on what videogame. For starters, any decent videogame would do as they all allow the child to experience something unique. From there, it's about avoiding games that work around all too similar game mechanics. I think being able to adapt easily to different kinds of game mechanics is important.


    Oh and team sports, especially if he has some talent.
    [*]How did you spend your childhood?

What do you think? I never slept, my dad crushed 2 of my consoles, and I had to hide away an extra console in a luggage for a year. I could only play secretly. The only thing I regret was when I kept playing sorts of games that I honestly didn't want to play anymore. I only played for story, and for the attachment I had with the genre/title/franchise, and those experiences felt empty in the end.
 

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I'm unbalanced myself. I can pretty much do only the things I really think is interesting. I have virtually no motivation in doing anything that is boring, and the results of those things suffer. Because I always had my interests right before me, and never got distracted growing up, it's a struggle to keep the apartment clean, to pay my bills and study those boring subjects in school.

Let him play his games ten hours straight, it's no matter. He does it because he is stimulated by them. Just make sure you add some basic disciplin and he'll grow up to be a well equipped explorer.


Atleast that's what I think I would prosper from.
 

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A lot of comments have already been given, so I'm not sure what to add....

I think as far as computer time, it matters more WHAT he is doing on the computer; you've expressed that it's not all "play computer games time," he's also studying various topics + learning programming skills. Not that there is anything wrong with games either, as long as it's kept in moderation rather than frenzied "skinner box" mode with games... I think for some types of people, the computer is a complete "blow off steam" device; however, for INTPs, it's like finding a soulmate and offers us the world since we can interface with all types of knowledge... it's more like a replacement for the library that I had when I was young.

Social skills are important, but it's hard to force an INTP to be social. I think helping to find friends with similar interests is the best way to go about socializing him, and having the periodic mandatory family event where he is forced for an hour to engage people in general who might be different than him is a pretty good compromise.

I actually spent a lot of time outside when younger. (I didn't have computers. I did play handheld games a lot though.) So for me it was either lots and lots of reading, or drawing/designing, or studying RPGs and designing, or going outside to explore the world, ride my bike, climb trees, etc. World exploration in the literal sense was part of my 'world exploration' in the general sense. I also had an outlet of church, to meet a few friends regularly; obviously you guys wouldn't have that, but being in some sort of group or just periodically seeing a small collection of peers is a good thing.
 

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What about Greek/Roman mythology? I think Myth is actually very captivating for a young INTP and a bit more meaningful than modern comics. I remember that my school library had quite a bit of it when I was his age.

I read every Greek mythology book in the library at my elementary school when I was in fifth grade :D
 

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Insightful comments, thank you.
 

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He is fine. Just let him do what he wants and make sure he does not become overweight. ^_^

I spent most of my childhood in front of a computer. Look at me now! Degree in engineering and doing a PhD.
 

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  • How much should a INTP kid be on the computer?
  • What are the best INTP childhood activities?
  • How did you spend your childhood?

Answer #1: As much as possible. Seriously. The more time a person spends on the computer during their childhood, the better. Being connected to the Internet provides children with a learning tool unrivaled by anything schools can offer.

Wikipedia alone is an endless fountain of knowledge.

On LiveMocha.com, your child can learn a foreign language at his own pace for free.

Games like World of Warcraft often enhance English skills, increase team building ability, teach players how to make plans involving others and then successfully execute them, and it even offers a safe environment for a child to organically experience a purely cerebral microcosm of life. In such a place, your child can actually get some valuable life experience while safely on his room.

Since he's INTP like us, it's an even better idea, as many (most?) INTPs find it much easier to socialize online than we do away from the computer. I think that we probably learn better in such a setting as well.

Answer #2: Video Games. Listening to music we like as well as music we've never heard. Reading books we like. Having and enjoying pets. Watching movies and television shows that we find interesting. Playing Dungeons & Dragons if we're lucky enough to have other people to play with. Surfing the internet. Writing fiction. Drawing, painting, or sculpting. Archery...

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..Martial Arts (especially the more meditative ones; Look into T'ai chi ch'uan.) If you live near a city, you can probably find a school nearby. If not, just use the internet and practice the techniques that you like from the discipline.

I would also suggest swimming, coin collecting, exploring with a metal detector, trampolines, learning to cook (marvelous fun, actually), buying and reading second-hand college level coursebooks the INTP finds interesting, and most importantly... any INTP needs to focus on doing the things that make them happiest. In my experience, limits should only be enforced when enjoyment of one favored activity severely retards exposure to and exploration of novel experiences.

Answer #3: I spent my childhood in the middle of the rural bible belt. I was a biracial child from New York surrounded by bigoted religious fundamentalists, but houses were far apart and I was mostly isolated by distance from most other people. My mom knew that there would be trouble eventually, because she had grown up there and she knew the people.

She was already an LPN, but she wanted more money to provide the best childhood that she could for me. So, she went back to college for two bachelor's degrees: Nursing and Psychology. She also had to drive 50 miles each way to get to her college campus, and then she also had to work. As a result, her pay grade went up, she got more hours, and I got to be raised by my senile, racist, pot-growing grandma.

She didn't even know it was pot. Neither did I back then. She'd dry the buds and grind them up with her tobacco snuff. She never smoked them, but I think that the smell of cannabis imprinted as "nostalgic" in my brain. I love that aroma.

Anyway, she didn't like that I was biracial, but she loved me. So she'd complain all the time. When I was young, I learned to tune her out quite well so that I could watch my cartoons in the living room while she ranted. Later, when I got the internet, I would leave the room, go into my bedroom, get online for a couple of hours, go into the kitchen for a drink and... I'd still hear her ranting about exactly the same thing.

When storms would arise, my paranoid evangelical aunt would drive over and collect my grandmother while forcing me to come along as well. Nights at her house were spent in misery, as she is nothing more than a defeated rebel who has so relented in the fight that she becomes a complete tool of her church as well as the Faux News Network and the 700 Club. I heard the "N" word at least 50 times a night, though it was never directed at me. I heard rants about how much she hated democrats, gays, blacks, and women wearing pants to the church.

She was terrified of the New Age Movement, Heavy Metal, Occultism and the like.

Naturally, my reaction was to shoplift a Satanic Bible from the mall on our next outing. I realized at once that the Church of Satan was perfectly in line with my gifted preteen mind. I was jaded and angry, but also knew that I was right and justified in all of the rage I held in my heart for people like my aunt. That fueled me, and I began to explore everything that she was afraid of... because it was what had been kept from me for so long. I discovered Marilyn Manson just before he released Antichrist Svperstar. I found D&D at my local bookstore and began my life-long love affair with RPGs. I dabbled in the occult and performed dozens of ceremonies, said hundreds of incantations, spoke numerous prayers, and burned countless candles. I kept note of each apparent success as well as each apparent failure. In this, I continued until I could conclusively establish that there were no gods. I had invoked them all and not a single god had tipped the scales in my favor.

When my aunt was disgusted enough by my behavior to hesitate in taking me with her one stormy evening, I went to the trailer and ignored her knocking. She became very angry, indeed. She pounded on the door once and left, spinning her wheels in our driveway before speeding and swerving down the muddy road as my grandmother held on for dear life.

My growth and maturing (or as my aunt would call it, my "descent into hell") intensified and continued from that point forward. When next I answered the door on a stormy evening, I did so naked. I wanted to drive home a point that I was in my domain and I would do as I pleased. I also wanted to show off the baphomet sigil temporary tattoos that I got at Hot Topic. I applied one to my left buttock.

My aunt did not return to my doorstep for several years thereafter, and then, it was only to yell at me for "dragging [my] mother down to hell with [me]."

I absolutely hated my school and developed stress ulcers from having to go. I went to a Christian school in 6th grade, and it was even worse. My childhood didn't really start until I was 13. I had just finished 6th grade and I decided to homeschool thereafter. I finished 7th and 8th at a regular pace, barely bothering to think of school and instead living my life the way I wanted to.

But then I got sick of having to stop and study, so I crammed for a few months, did nothing but school, and I tested out of 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th grade.

Anyway, since the time when I was 13, I experienced nothing more than a bittersweet blur of video games, music, sleep, great food, relaxation, fun, happiness, joy... and then the everyday drudgery and torment that is life around other people.

Hope those answers help!
 

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How many sports have you tried? I only ask because there's such a variety out there.

Personally, I spent a lot of time outside playing tag, climbing trees, and riding bikes with the neighborhood kids. Did some little league baseball and ended up playing soccer for 13 or so years. I also played inside quite a bit with legos, video games, and TV. So I guess I'd say a balance is best. Just keep trying new things and see if any of it sticks.
 

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who cares, as long as he gets his shit done, homework and such; let him spend as much time as he wants as long as the chores and homework and whatever else gets accomplished; have him learn to manage his own time; if you have to compromise with the wifey, at least come up with a good reason for him, like he needs to get more exercise or else he will get sick and die, then force him to go jogging or something
 

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Hope those answers help!

Sounds like your upbringing was rough, sorry to hear that. I've had a theory that when an INTP has a less than ideal upbringing, such as divorced parents, abusive parents, religious parents, then rebellion is the probable result.

How many sports have you tried? I only ask because there's such a variety out there.

A few, basketball, baseball, hiking/walking, fencing, martial arts, a few others. We barely got him to finish out basketball, martial arts worked until he got somewhat good at it as I said, and so on. He likes to be indoors, but on the other hand he's sensitive about being skinny, which is why I started weight lifting. But then my wife put a stop to that after she heard that kids shouldn't weight lift or something (he had like 2.5 lbs in each hand or something), and hasn't yet replaced it with a 'better' form of weightlifting :confused:

who cares, as long as he gets his shit done, homework and such; let him spend as much time as he wants as long as the chores and homework and whatever else gets accomplished; have him learn to manage his own time; if you have to compromise with the wifey, at least come up with a good reason for him, like he needs to get more exercise or else he will get sick and die, then force him to go jogging or something

I love you people.
 

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I don't have time at this moment, but I think this is a fantastic thread and will likely get back to this. I am an INTP with a probable INTP father, and the topics of developmental psychology and education are dear to me.
 

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A few, basketball, baseball, hiking/walking, fencing, martial arts, a few others. We barely got him to finish out basketball, martial arts worked until he got somewhat good at it as I said, and so on. He likes to be indoors, but on the other hand he's sensitive about being skinny, which is why I started weight lifting. But then my wife put a stop to that after she heard that kids shouldn't weight lift or something (he had like 2.5 lbs in each hand or something), and hasn't yet replaced it with a 'better' form of weightlifting :confused:

Perhaps martial arts? Kendo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZttB0pqK_o&feature=player_detailpage#t=111s
 

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I just blazed through my logic homework to respond to this thread so listen up!

How much should an INTP kid be on the computer?

I have a profound computer-game addiction that I still struggle with into my mid 20's. I did not get to use a computer for gaming at home until I was about 13, before this I was waking up incredibly early in the morning so that I could walk the 3.5km to school (rain, hail, or shine) and use the computers before class. I don't know if withholding computer games caused me to treasure them more, or if I am just predisposed to them, but the obsession I have is nothing but damaging to my productivity and development as a person.
I recommend both monitoring which gaming titles he acquires, and the time he spends on them. I think a good mix of genres is good, particularly if you are not opposed to violent games, but don't let him obsess over one game too much. MMO's can be good but you should look out for 'skinner boxing' (great terminology @Jennywocky) where play is reduced to mindless reward seeking. For this reason, I strongly disagree with the assertion of @Wolf that WoW and games like it are healthy. There is thought process in how best to utilise stat allotment and skill selection etc., but once your character is designed the process as a whole is entirely mindless, or at least inferior to other games.

In lieu of gaming however, I strongly recommend D&D. I have only just begun playing this year and it is vastly superior to any game I have ever played in both fun potential and cognitive function, on top of being controlled by the availability of a DM and play-group. I cannot advocate this activity enough, and with a good DM you can have an immensely fun, social, stimulating and imaginative time without most of the adverse effects of computer games (it's still not exercise).

In regard to general computer use, I very much agree with Wolf in that it is a behaviour that should be encouraged. Internet access and computer use is an incredibly efficient means of learning about the world that is absolutely crucial in this day and age. I would impose any limitations to it's use so long as it does not interfere with other activities including meals, school, and sleep.

What are the best INTP childhood activities?
Other than what I've already mentioned, chess is good fun and cognitively demanding. Learning a broad range of instruments including some percussion, woodwind, brass, strings, vocal, and keys, would allow the option to become specialised in something they really enjoyed if they so desired. I do not at all recommend having an idea in mind for what your kid should do. My father, while expressing his opinion that personal freedom was of absolute importance, tried to force me to play guitar (like him), and I have always resented him for it. Even after I chose to take up drums semi-professionally he tried to change my mind by wasting $500 on a guitar gift (which is a lot more than either of us could afford at the time).

For sports I can recommend soccer, hockey, judo, and badminton. Soccer and hockey are good for building friendships and require great fitness, agility, motor control, and theoretical understanding, without exposing your son to great physical risk. Badminton requires great positioning skills, agility, and fine motor control, is very fun, and can be played socially (I play doubles almost exclusively). Judo is the most physically demanding thing I have ever done, and gives a self-confidence that I have not experienced from any other activity. Furthermore, Judo is great for kids as it is almost non-applicable to a non-defensive situation, whereas boxing and the like will often result in your kid misunderstanding it's use.

How did you spend your childhood?

I spent my childhood being angry and rebellious. I was known for giving incredibly few fucks about actions and their consequences, and spent a lot of time in fights, being bullied, or bullying. My adult rolemodels were poor and it wasn't until late teenhood that I mustered the autonomy to pull my head from my ass. I believe my interest/obsession with developmental psychology, parenting and education are derived from 'what if?' questions about my own childhood. I'm still picking up the pieces of my childhood, I am desperate to not repeat the mistakes with my future children.

There is no perfect parenting method, but some are better than others. It sounds like you are doing a great job already.
 

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The computer can be a great source of stimulation and learning, but few games are actually a good option. FPS games (shoot'em'ups) are pointless (but absorbing), RPG (role-playing-games) actually have some thought involved but are MASSIVE, leading to little stimulation anyway. Fighting games (two guys in a ring) are to be avoided. It may or may not be possible, but you should aim for sandbox (open world, do what you want, design stuff, etc.), logic games (you solve puzzles, similar to programming but easy to understand and there is optimisation involved), simulation games, and management games (you are in charge of something. Quite easy to mess up, and require thought). An example for each:
Sandbox: minecraft is the classic, the world is made of blocks that you can mine and place, creating structures, then, you make your weapons/tools and so on.
Logic: a very good one I know of is spacechem (thanks intporum!), look it up, also requires much thought.
Simulation games: flight simulator, train simulator, farming simulator (much more thought involved than the other 2).
Management games: simcity (you are the mayor of a city), FIFA (you are the manager of a football club).

What I left for last, as best: strategy games!
There is turn-based strategy such as chess, other board games, games like advanced wars (nintendo), or uni wars (iDevices).
Then, real time strategy (RTS), such as (my addiction) warzone 2100 (much less violent than it sounds, look it up), the command and conquer series, and so on.

The reason why INTPs play games (in my opinion): they find an easy source of stimulation in them which is hard to come across otherwise. An INTP will often prefer to do something else that interests them and that they find stimulating (maths for me), but it is hard to get that stimulating content (good problems for me). If you can ensure he has other stimulating, interesting content (discussions about college-level topics in philosophy, economics, and others. Good books. And so on), he will often opt for that instead of his games. Also, limit his supply of new games so that he knows that if he plays a certain game too much he will get bored and will not have much to do until he can get the next one. Access to the computer is a must, but you must be careful for how long. At one point in my childhood, I was playing games all day and only stopping to eat, for 3 days a week. An interesting idea would be to get him on Wikipedia walks (read an article, click a link to a new one, and so on).

Sports: swimming is BORING, tennis can be cool, some team sports like basketball can be cool if you understand the game.
 

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Thanks Hadoblado & Coolydudy, good insights. His inclination has always been towards building. He loved blocks when young, as he got old enough for Lego's he became obsessed with them, and by now has acquired an enormous collection from friends and relatives (and still wants new sets for birthdays and Christmas). He still plays about an hour a day. He's done Lego Robotics a few times and next year I'll probably co-teach a competitive team with him.

For computer games he doesn't like FPS's, but prefers problem solving and story games. He has every single Lego game (Lucas Arts, etc) that comes out, loved Lego Universe (now defunct MMO), plays Minecraft frequently (but we've had trouble finding a good server), and presently spends most of his time on Roblox (a site with user created games). On Roblox we are slowly building up his own game. By the way he did like Sim City until the city he worked on for weeks got wiped out from some kind of uprising, which was very upsetting! Thanks Cooly for the SpaceChem reminder, I saw that before but will check up again on it.

To be honest he doesn't use the internet too much yet as an information source, other than searching out game play videos and such on YouTube. I think he's not ready yet. It's been interesting to see how he has developed at his own pace. For example, I tried pushing astronomy on him too early. That taught me to stay mostly hands off and let him pick up things when he's interested and ready.

Another interesting point is that he's very familiar with the broad concepts of typology, from picking up tidbits from us (my wife is rather obsessed with it and (overly) labels everyone we know). I think it gives him a lot of comfort, around this age I remember learning that I was an oddball, and I can see that with him. It seems that knowing that he's an oddball by design, and that Dad is the same kind of oddball gives him a good degree of stability and comfort.
 

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If my own (INTP) childhood is any indication, parental controls, be they bio or virtual, are the most stifling, frustrating, and generally un-mentally-healthy things he faces. I realize this is the age of boogyman-fear and all in California (and the rest of the so-called developed world for that matter), so there probably aren't any other people his size playing and trading scraped elbows on his block. Perhaps you've allotted him too much time (IMAO) on the internet to compensate for this lack of personal freedom. The problem is that if the electronic Safety Officer only allows him to access kiddie sites to play "Penguin-Land", the sheer beauty of the Internet's 'free and unrestricted exchange of information' will be lost on him. This may seem like a practical compromise right now, but in ten years when he's still a 6 year old who only knows how to stay on his linear choo-choo train rails, there might be some regrets over the long-term zombification effects of oppressive parental controls.

Just my opinion though (father of 2).
 

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How about building Robots ?
Might be the next step up from Lego.


About the "hands-off", I can relate. Most anything I showed any aptitude of got encouraged, which turned me off. It's more about just "getting" it than mastering it.

Pushing doesn't work.




oh, and look to Penny-Arcade by the way.
An over-all source of Good writing, good comics and good recommendations in Gamer culture.
The articles written by Jeremy Holkins (aka Tycho) are generally very thoughtful/insightful, as well as funny.

http://penny-arcade.com/

I would warn you that they sometimes make use of profanities as emphasis, but somehow I don't think that should be a big concern anyway. You'll probably explore it a little by yourself before recommending it to your kid.


and; some more game-recommendations.
Puzzle-games like Portal and Quantum Conundrum, are probably safe bets as well.
 

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Update: he's not too excited about Space Chem. he much prefers games with characters and stories, maybe because we read to him so much. On robots, I spent a lot of money on Lego Robotics Tetrix stuff ... again I learned to watch his interests and bird dog them.
 

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What kind of games has he played within the last year or so? (the longer the list, the better)
 

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Lego Universe
Lego adventure games (Indiana Jones, sStar Wars Clone Wars, etc)
Roblox (many different here, Chair Racing, Team Fortress (Roblox mini version) etc)
Club Penguin (not much anymore )
Poptropica

Those are the favorites, also briefly played others like Sim City
 

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Another update, after getting bored with one of his usual games he asked "where is that spacey chem game you downloaded? Now he's happily playing the demo, totally absorbed, contentedly saying "this is so much fun" to himself.

INTP kids are such a delight. Of course it had to be his idea. I suggested it this morning and got a kick back, then after he digested the idea and was ready for it he dove right in.
 

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Have you looked at warzone 2100? If he is in to spacechem, he'll probably like it. Does he prefer real time games to turn-based ones? I also urge you to have a good look at flight simulator, or even better, combat flight simulator, they are great games, I liked them A LOT at his age.
 
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