Destroying the ego; a fruitless journey?

[Ink]

Is the ego necessary after all?

 

[Brontosaurie]

destroying the ego: a weekend of fun

 

[Ink]

no enlightenment?

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Is the ego necessary after all?

Sure. It's the only ego there is.

 

[kvothe27]

The ego is what makes the ego think it is necessary. How ego-centric of it.

 

[just george]

Japanese samurai tried that for a few centuries. I think that they had a tad more discipline than the average forum poster.

 

[Brontosaurie]

no enlightenment?

perhaps initially there is some, but it dissipates as soon as you try to make sense of it and is then inevitably replaced by a preachy cultish bullshit static replica of the pure being in flux which was witnessed. quite bafflingly, someone managed to write a tune about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIYw5FznGpI

to properly harness is to let go.

 

[Brontosaurie]

transcendent enlightenment, naturally, is beyond the demarcation necessary for verbal communication. it can only be a calibration of the phenomenal center of existence, where- or whatever that is.

 

[Beat Mango]

I still don't get what this "ego" is that everybody keeps talking about? The notion is apparently self-evident, but I can't make sense of it at all. Can someone explain it? Define it? Apparently according to Jung and pthers, Nietzsche was the ultimate in ego.

If I'm right in estimating what it is, then solipsism would be the ultimate egoism? So what's then the opposite of egoism? My Ti thanks you in advance.

 

[Beat Mango]

Hmmm seems to be largely Jungian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_in_Jungian_psychology

 

[Brontosaurie]

I still don't get what this "ego" is that everybody keeps talking about? The notion is apparently self-evident, but I can't make sense of it at all. Can someone explain it? Define it?

If I'm right in estimating what it is, then solipsism would be the ultimate egoism? So what's then the opposite of egoism? My Ti thanks you in advance.

the "ego" as popularly conceived appears to be a conflation of the selfishness inherent to all life as self-replicating mechanism, and the being a self in a perceived world of others. this association is tempting to make as it appeals to defeatism and laziness; just drop enough acid to disrupt basic mental functioning and you'll be unable to take care of yourself and thus morally impeccable according to some naïve objectivism. for certain people it's a more sensible, reversible way of actualizing suicidal ideation, and for others it's simply a fad and a blast.

you can't really define the self since it exists prior to any definition; it is that which defines, so the word is just a term for whatever lingers in the cognitive periphery no matter how thoroughly you investigate.

the eternal mystery whose abstract nature prompts feeble impatient minds to project it onto imaginary deities.

how do you like my preachy bullshit?

 

[TimeAsylums]

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I still don't get what this "ego" is

Frakin' senser.

preachy bullshit

Ever since the dawn of human consciousness, the ego has been the cause of existential crises.

so, yes, murder it.

ESSENCE

 

[SpiralHacker]

One of the reasons for confusion around this topic is that in the 50s and 60s when eastern philosophy was becoming more available in western civilizations a set of words from eastern philosophy got translated as "ego." However a better translation would be "delusions."

Destroying the western concept of ego, the one described by people like Jung, would be devastating and counter to the goals of eastern philosophy. In this sense a healthy ego is vital to overall well-being and one's spiritual development.

The spiritual paths of the east seek to destroy delusions. One of the more advanced and meta delusions is the delusion of a separate self, and this contributes to this ego/delusions confusion. However it is a healthy ego that helps get you to that understanding that everything is inter-connected, that all inter-is, and what you thought you were is just an expression within a larger phenomena where there is no distinct autonomous ideas of self. They call this no self.

Hope that helps.

 

[Etheri]

perhaps initially there is some, but it dissipates as soon as you try to make sense of it and is then inevitably replaced by a preachy cultish bullshit static replica of the pure being in flux which was witnessed. quite bafflingly, someone managed to write a tune about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIYw5FznGpI

to properly harness is to let go.

I don't know the specific song, I do know the artist and I love the genre. Wondering what relates this to ego loss tho? (Other than the psychedelic genre)

On this genre :

I know ego 'death' is something that sometimes happens when 'breaking through' on high doses of psychedelics. Complete loss of the concept of 'who you are'. This is completely temporary ofcourse.

I think DMT is probably most suitable if breaking through is your goal. I hope to get to this point one day, but i'm too young and inexperienced to go for it. Also dmt is kinda illigal just about everywhere, you've been warned.

As long as you can still feel your body and remember who you are, take more cause you're not quite there yet.

I think ego loss is a very interesting idea, however the goal of achieving it is pretty self-defeating, as goals are a thing of the ego (atleast I think so?).

 

[Beat Mango]

I think the delusion is not the ego, but that you're all some part of some big hippy lovefest meta-consciousness.

All cells and organisms are constantly competing with each other to meet their needs. How can they not be separate.

Sure, from the perspective of eternity, we're all one and the same energy constantly in flux etc. But none of us live in eternity. We live in the present fixed moment with all of its karma. Hence why the only way out of it is Nirvana, which is not heaven, but total and permanent annihilation.

 

[Brontosaurie]

I don't know the specific song, I do know the artist and I love the genre. Wondering what relates this to ego loss tho? (Other than the psychedelic genre)

it relates to masking some superficial fallacious religious crap as ego death and enlightenment. "thugs in tye dye" is a rave analogy to the wolf in sheep's clothing. an imposter, a fake.

i suppose the title was intended to describe annoying non-PLUR people showing up at rave parties rather than the false prophets of the scene though. fancy me some liberal interpretation. yes.