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Scary Hairy Spider Appreciation Thread

Polaris

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As spiders have such dubious reputations and seem to often evoke various degrees of repulsion in many humans, I would like to dedicate a thread to inspire closer study and perhaps even some tentative appreciation for these interesting little fellow life forms whom we often take for granted, or even eliminate without consideration of their important role in ecological networks.

First up is the Australian Peacock spider Maratus volans:


 
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The Peacock spider is adorable!

I like spiders and don't mind picking them up but not sure how i'd feel about that if i lived somewhere with poisonous ones.

I found this fascinating - what happened to the web building process when Nasa gave (unspecified) spiders various drugs:

http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/spiderdrugs.htm

If only they could have read their tiny minds at the same time!
 

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Thanks for your contribution!

From your linked website:

"Caffeine, one of the most common drugs consumed by Britons in soft drinks, tea and coffee, makes spiders incapable of spinning anything better than a few threads strung together at random."

....Okay, no more coffee for me....:phear:
 

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Except the way a spider spins a web and the way a human would do it are completely different, spider brains are tiny and connected to relatively complex bodies so they just don't have the processing power to consciously spin a web, instead they do it purely by instinct. For example they begin by randomly crawling around until they find a spot with desirable airflow and luminosity, then they set down the beginning of their first strand, this first strand determines the orientation of the entire web so the spider crawls around until the strand is of decent length and finds a spot perpendicular to where the strand begins as the spider can feel by it going up rather than straight out behind it.

Anyway you get the idea, it wouldn't be too difficult to make a program that would imitate the process, it's all very procedural, something mechanistically ingrained into the spider on a genetic level by millions of generations of trail & error rather than the spider's own individual reasoning.

Whereas a human being is by nature incredibly adaptable in the way it thinks, we have very minimal instincts because we have to deal with other people who can use the predictability of our instincts against us. So needless to say the way we're affected by caffeine and the way spiders are is likely incredibly different, for us it's a stimulant that aids concentration, for them apparently it's disruptive of their finely tuned instinctual programming.
 

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Except the way a spider spins a web and the way a human would do it are completely different, spider brains are tiny and connected to relatively complex bodies so they just don't have the processing power to consciously spin a web, instead they do it purely by instinct. For example they begin by randomly crawling around until they find a spot with desirable airflow and luminosity, then they set down the beginning of their first strand, this first strand determines the orientation of the entire web so the spider crawls around until the strand is of decent length and finds a spot perpendicular to where the strand begins as the spider can feel by it going up rather than straight out behind it.

Anyway you get the idea, it wouldn't be too difficult to make a program that would imitate the process, it's all very procedural, something mechanistically ingrained into the spider on a genetic level by millions of generations of trail & error rather than the spider's own individual reasoning.

Whereas a human being is by nature incredibly adaptable in the way it thinks, we have very minimal instincts because we have to deal with other people who can use the predictability of our instincts against us. So needless to say the way we're affected by caffeine and the way spiders are is likely incredibly different, for us it's a stimulant that aids concentration, for them apparently it's disruptive of their finely tuned instinctual programming.


Yup.

For the record, I find the spider videos funny, but they don't really comment on the impact of drugs on human beings very well across the board.
 
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Drat, the fatal flaw in my plan to build the best web has been exposed : my brain/body may react differently to certain substances than those of a spider. Who knew?
D'oh. Back to the drawing board.
 

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I just had a cold sweat nightmare about relatively large spiders then woke up paranoid, local time 3:39 AM. They were as big as my head, yellow and black, grey, and black.

I tried to kill them with bugspray then they all came out at once.

Hope that counts.

If it doesn't, I see this black n yellow one everywhere

http://www.fcps.edu/islandcreekes/ecology/black_and_yellow_argiope.htm



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Black and Yellow Garden Spiders are harmless to humans. Because they are large, many people fear them; however, not only are they harmless, but they do a lot of good. These spiders eat large amounts of insect pests, such as flies, mosquitoes, and aphids.
 

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Whoops, I just remembered what this thread is about...

Um, it hurts my feelings when people randomly kill spiders for no reason. I don't hate spiders. And that guy above ^ don't worry about that guy.
 

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I just had a cold sweat nightmare about relatively large spiders then woke up paranoid, local time 3:39 AM. They were as big as my head, yellow and black, grey, and black.

I tried to kill them with bugspray then they all came out at once.

Hope that counts.

If you want to get a group of us together to assign parts and do a read-through of Stephen King's "The Mist," I bet that would be a hoot.
 

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I remember telling someone I don't have nightmares but afterwards I remembered having a series of 3-4 dreams which included huge or giant spiders... I was looking at dreams & nightmares as if they were two different things but nightmares & dreams are the same thing except scary. Truly frightening stuff. Rather a miracle no harm was actually done.. Usually these dreams involved my bedroom being covered with webs occupied by hand or bigger sized spiders and for some reason I would try and navigate to my bed without touching a web and alerting the spiders to my presence, then I'd sleep and hope one wouldn't bite me. I think irl there may have been a miniscule spider infestation in my room which led to those types of dreams periodically; speculation though. Also, I remember this one rather interesting dream (right before I woke up) in which I heard a 'clanky' sound while sleeping and when I woke up to see what it was it was this weird robotic-organic spider the size of a hand walking on the wall! It's legs were made of diamond and it's body was some type of metal, like the barrel of a gun as it even had a hole which it shot webs out of. I then actually woke up.
But yeah, dreams can be interesting but you know no one really gives a shit about reading accounts. They're more visual, I think, and it can be frustrating, from my experience, trying to translate them into text as it seems like an injustice to the dream is being made to some extent. Consequently, a few years ago I wondered if some device could be created that extracted dreams into some type of monitor so people can watch or record them for later viewing pleasure. "Hey, I had this weird dream last night- check it out."

But anyway here's this (not technically a spider but):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CONWvddogc
 

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I remember telling someone I don't have nightmares but afterwards I remembered having a series of 3-4 dreams which included huge or giant spiders... I was looking at dreams & nightmares as if they were two different things but nightmares & dreams are the same thing except scary. Truly frightening stuff. Rather a miracle no harm was actually done..

The very first nightmare I ever remember having was when I was five -- the night my bedroom got moved to a different room. It was an old house, and my new room had hot water head running through floorboard radiators, with all those little crinkly aluminum squares on them (to radiate the heat). So when they heat, they make those "crinkly" noises as they expand.

I had this nightmare that I was a little bug in one of those sepia-colored cartoons from the 30's, with the big cigar-smoking cartoon spiders, and they were chasing me through the hot water pipes in my room. it was so surreal and cartoony, but terrifying.
 

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I like spiders.

@Perfectly Normal Beast, I was surprised that LSD had such little effect on the spiderweb. I was expecting an oddly shaped one.

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I really don't get why people are scared by spiders but I guess it's a culture thing. Spiders kill dengue and malaria-carrying mosquitoes so they're always welcome in our home.

When I spot one in our house, I relocate them somewhere nearby so they won't get squashed when we clean the our rooms.
 
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I was surprised that LSD had such little effect on the spiderweb. I was expecting an oddly shaped one.

Me too. I think the only one which was as i would have expected was the sleeping pill one.

I really don't get why people are scared by spiders but I guess it's a culture thing. Spiders kill dengue and malaria-carrying mosquitoes so they're always welcome in our home.

When I spot one in our house, I relocate them somewhere nearby so they won't get squashed when we clean the our rooms.

I do this too although i don't have dengue or malaria to worry about. They're all named Harry (spiders are always named Harry, didn't you know?).

I saw a Wasp Spider in my garden a few weeks ago and did not feel at all like picking it up. I think it was an instinctual response to its having the danger signals - colour/pattern of wasps etc :eek:
 

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I saw a Wasp Spider in my garden a few weeks ago and did not feel at all like picking it up. I think it was an instinctual response to its having the danger signals - colour/pattern of wasps etc :eek:
Ironically it's meant to be camouflage or even attractive to other insects.

Most web building spiders flee when disturbed and only bite when handled, hence the instinctive impulse to either shake it off, stay still while someone else removes it or to very gently brush the area with your fingertips, of course most people don't know spiders only bite when handled but they act appropriately all the same, I find it fascinating that there's so little awareness of the boundary between our conscious actions and our hardwired ones.

We might not be so unlike spiders after all.
 

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To respond to "cultural" conditioning, I think it's actually more inborn aversions. Animals have behavioral instincts based on particular movements (make certain moves around your cat and you will trigger a particular swipe or head movement reflex).

I think the problematic animals typically have movement patterns that trigger some kind of aversion response. Spiders don't move the same way as other animals do, and it's the only critter I typically have an issue with -- and I had the same creep-out watching that scene in Exorcist (or other movies) where she scuttles around like a spider.

I've watched some female friends who are afraid of mice, and it's the movement that triggers their scream reflex; i have no issues with mice, but the way mice dart around freaks them out. Some of that can be cultural, yes (it can be layered OVER a natural response); but I think at core there's still something about the darting movement that generates an automatic response.

And the other animals too that typically generate fear responses. Snakes and centipedes/bugs have typical natural aversive responses to those who are creeped out by them. None of them happen to bother me. And pretty much all other animals seem to be more "conscious caution" rather than some muscle-reflex fear response. (I don't freak at the sight of a bear, for example. But a bear can generate a conscious fear response because I know how strong they are, and I would be very wary.)

It's not that I think, "oh, it's a spider, gross I hate spiders, uggh, let's get scared." It's literally like touching a hot pan, and my hand jerks back / drops it, and then I think, "oh. The pan was hot. Boy, does my hand hurt."

I think these types of versions are also automatic reflexes. For some reason, regardless of any rationalization, I get an immediate "get away" response to spiders.

I'll note too I don't have the same reactions to all spiders. The bigger they are, though, the worse it is. Really tiny spiders don't bug me too much. It's the longer legs and when I can see how they move, where my skin just crawls immediately.

I saw a Wasp Spider in my garden a few weeks ago and did not feel at all like picking it up. I think it was an instinctual response to its having the danger signals - colour/pattern of wasps etc :eek:

Is that what they're called? I think I've heard them referred to as garden spiders or a black and yellow argiope.

They usually peppered the fields where I grew up, in the off-season from corn when the weeds would grow a few feet high. We would be running through the fields playing and plow almost right into them -- talk about freaking me out, lol. They were big, too... up to as big as my thumb now (in terms of total length).
 
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Is that what they're called? I think I've heard them referred to as garden spiders or a black and yellow argiope.

They usually peppered the fields where I grew up, in the off-season from corn when the weeds would grow a few feet high. We would be running through the fields playing and plow almost right into them -- talk about freaking me out, lol. They were big, too... up to as big as my thumb now (in terms of total length).

Arrghh, i'm no spider expert, i looked this one up because i'd never seen one before and i thought it was a mutant spider/wasp heralding the endtimes! My local ones are A. bruennichi aka Wasp Spiders (i think), from the (apparently quite large) genus Argiope. I don't know what your local ones might be but the one i saw was also about as big as my thumb.
 

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Maybe but I've never heard of a spider being dangerous for birds to eat, except y'know bird eating spiders for obvious reasons.

I've watched some female friends who are afraid of mice, and it's the movement that triggers their scream reflex; i have no issues with mice, but the way mice dart around freaks them out. Some of that can be cultural, yes (it can be layered OVER a natural response); but I think at core there's still something about the darting movement that generates an automatic response.
I've been freaked out by mice, not to the point of screaming but if I see something moving fast on the floor I'll treat it as dangerous until I know what it is, just prudence, some species of snake get really aggressive when cornered.
 

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Arrghh, i'm no spider expert, i looked this one up because i'd never seen one before and i thought it was a mutant spider/wasp heralding the endtimes! My local ones are A. bruennichi aka Wasp Spiders (i think), from the (apparently quite large) genus Argiope. I don't know what your local ones might be but the one i saw was also about as big as my thumb.

Yes... big enough that if it got in my hair, I'd probably run around screaming like I was on fire.

Which is kind of hilarious, because the spider would likely be just as scared. Humans are so reedic sometimes.
 

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I do this too although i don't have dengue or malaria to worry about. They're all named Harry (spiders are always named Harry, didn't you know?).

I think you guys have the West Nile virus, dengue's cousin, in your area. Even so I'm glad you're helping the spiders survive. What if you tell them "Yer a wizard, Harry" before letting them go :D.

I saw a Wasp Spider in my garden a few weeks ago and did not feel at all like picking it up. I think it was an instinctual response to its having the danger signals - colour/pattern of wasps etc :eek:

Although they are nice to look at, bright colors in the animal world either means "look at me, I'm hot!" or "don't mess with me, I'm poisonous to the core!"
 

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I've been freaked out by mice, not to the point of screaming but if I see something moving fast on the floor I'll treat it as dangerous until I know what it is, just prudence, some species of snake get really aggressive when cornered.

It's a natural instinct that helped our ancestors survive threats. However, it's no longer an excuse if you have already identified the source of movement as an unthreatening insect or animal.
 

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As the resident spidaire, I deeply approve of this thread.

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It's so cute.
 

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I completely forgot about this thread....:ahh:

I will attempt to reply to all later...but for now; grab some popcorn, sit back and...."enjoy" :phear:

Interesting (although ever so slightly dramatised) spider doco:
 

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This is pretty adorable.

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Also we get a lot of huntsman spiders where I live. There's usually one or two lurking about the house somewhere majority of the time. Venom isn't harmful to humans, but they do have a nasty bite. On the plus side they actually kill other venomous spiders that we have here in Australia like redbacks and white-tails. I don't mind these spiders, they're pretty passive in general and although they're big they're ultimately harmless to humans.

Redbacks are not so bad, since they're docile and their natural instinct is to play dead when disturbed. They curl up into a ball and don't move. So unless they're inside a glove or a shoe and you put it on, you won't get a bite. White-tails on the other hand are venomous hunting spiders, and they get very aggressive/agitated. Not a fan of white-tails at all because of that combination, but the other spiders are okay in my books.

We get a bunch of jumping spiders and daddy long-legs. Both of which are obviously fine since they're harmless. Jumping spiders are really cute actually.

I'm just glad we don't have funnel webs as far south as I live :phear:

Huntsman:
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Another pic for size scale of the huntsman:
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