Martin Manley, statistician: life and suicide chronicled

[cheese]

I thought this might be interesting as many members here have posted similar thoughts about choosing a day to end their lives for the control it offers.

Martin Manley killed himself on his 60th birthday, and posted a 2-year chronicle of his life and thoughts on the day of his death. (Yes yes, before he offed himself, obviously.)

Today is August 15, 2013. Today is my 60th birthday. Today is the last day of my life. Today, I committed suicide. Today, is the first day this site is active, but it will be here for years to come.


I know the question you are asking. "Why did you want to die? ... or Why didn't you want to live?" Here is the answer. I didn't want to die. If I could have waved a magic wand and lived for 200 years, I would have. Unfortunately, that's not an option. Therefore, since death is inevitable, the better question is... do I want to live as long as humanly possible OR do I want to control the time and manner and circumstances of my death? That was my choice (and yours). I chose what was most appealing to me.

He had no kids, and the onset of dementia. All in all though, it looks rather positive.

Here's the mirror, as the original was taken down: http://www.zeroshare.info/

Enjoy.

 

[Hadoblado]

That sounds really interesting. I can certainly imagine myself doing something similar, particularly if dementia was on the horizon.

I'll look through the link when I've got more time

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

I haven't read through everything yet, but I see a lot of similarities between he and myself thus far...

 

[Brontosaurie]

i don't identify with him at all even though he was cool stoic suicidal

 

[Reluctantly]

Hmm, was he sure that he was going to develop dementia?

From what I understand, not everyone that has early onset of dementia goes on to develop dementia.

 

[Jennywocky]

Don't get hung up on "dementia." That wasn't really his point. He just wanted to speak easily and comprehensibly about the entirety of his life, not just a portion, so he ended it here so everything could be covered.

Thanks for sharing this. On cell and still reading. I think it's sad he paid for five years and the original site didn't stay up a day. What are people scared of?

EDIT: Here's some other links I found:
http://www.inquisitr.com/908558/mar...ark-say-suicidal-man-left-no-buried-treasure/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-leaves-website-explanation-article-1.1429286
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_t...s_writer_s_troubling_template_for_social.html

Of interest:
His death triggered some treasure hunters (due to the gold ingots and silver coins he claimed to have, I suppose).
Yahoo also claims that the website "violated their terms of service" so they took it down.

 

[Reluctantly]

To each his/her own, but the dementia wasn't all that clear from what I read; and his reasons sounded more like justifications than avoiding what would be a life left of suffering. He focused a lot on explaining why things would be pointless or worse on many levels, but he also chose to see it that way.

But the dementia, if that was likely, sounded like a rational reason, but the other stuff was like icing on the cake. But eating the icing without the cake is like believing the icing is the cake. I just hope he didn't essentially mind-fuck himself.

 

[Jennywocky]

To each his/her own, but the dementia wasn't all that clear from what I read; and his reasons sounded more like justifications than avoiding what would be a life left of suffering. He focused a lot on explaining why things would be pointless or worse on many levels, but he also chose to see it that way.

I think one thing that came across, despite all the positivity he tried to show, is that he was unnerved by the thought of living a life where he was not in complete control over his existence or faculties. I don't think I could do what he did, even if I can track his arguments; I'm more open-ended and don't need to have that much control over my existence.

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

60 year old offs himself in a meticulous manner. Lays out his life and logic on website. INTP or other?

(Sorry if this was already been posted in another thread. Thought it was interesting enough to merit a post even if it ends up being a double post)

Apparently, 1 week ago a 60 Year old man went through with planning and implementing his suicide. Put up a website before doing so:

http://www.zeroshare.info/

I'm left wondering if this guy was an INTP? Thoughts?

Whether right or wrong, have to give the man credit for courage & attention to detail where its due. That said, I would've disagreed with him about the particular manner of suicide he chose. For several reasons.

<--seriously.

 

[Etheri]

Re: 60 year old offs himself in a meticulous manner. Lays out his life and logic on website. INTP or other?

Strikes me as a J to be honest.

Read on how he planned and ordered everything.

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

Re: 60 year old offs himself in a meticulous manner. Lays out his life and logic on website. INTP or other?

This has been making the rounds.

Why in the world would you jump to the idea he was an INTP?

I guess I wasn't focused on his decision of suicide as a choice itself as an important aspect of the individual's typing...more his entire life story, at least as he presents himself on his website.

That said, I hadn't come to a conclusion about his type...I am in the various phases of wondering as I express in my OP. I knew that folks on the interwebs such as yourself are much better at this type of analysis. I am not all that deep into MBTI to really take a good shot (pun alert) at typing.

It bothers me that you would take those behaviors as indicating any type... I understand his reasoning that he didn't want to face a continual decline, but I also deplore the fact that he "always thought me might commit suicide someday". I'm not interested in spending much time analyzing this individual, but it seems that he was always prone or partial to suicide.

Regardless after reading some of the site a few days ago, I don't see an INTP but a ST or STJ, if anything. Doesn't matter regardless, his problems aren't type specific.

ST and/or STJ makes a lot of sense. I am anything but an expert at typing but now that you have me thinking through each category, in light of his life story as he presents it, I don't see a shred of F really (not necessarily for bad or good). S makes a lot of sense as does J.

NOTE: WTH (what the Heck?) where did Architect's post go? Do you want me to delete my quotation of your post Architect?

 

[Jennywocky]

Re: 60 year old offs himself in a meticulous manner. Lays out his life and logic on website. INTP or other?

Yeah, this was posted as a thread here last week.

Came off as very very STJ to me. The need for control and closure was astonishing.

I don't know if I'd call it "courage" because he was never scared or adverse to offing himself. It was what he WANTED to do. Living would have been more courageous for him, IMO.

 

[Etheri]

Re: 60 year old offs himself in a meticulous manner. Lays out his life and logic on website. INTP or other?

Living would have been more courageous for him, IMO.

That depends on the amount of booze living would require. We're in a time of painkillers. Courage is but a silly, distant memory of the past, hopelessly idolised and pretty damn useless.

Ok I admit, I'm drunk. I'll show myself out

 

[Jennywocky]

Re: 60 year old offs himself in a meticulous manner. Lays out his life and logic on website. INTP or other?

That depends on the amount of booze living would require. We're in a time of painkillers. Courage is but a silly, distant memory of the past, hopelessly idolised and pretty damn useless.

Ok I admit, I'm drunk. I'll show myself out

Ben n' Jerry's is my booze of choice.

Hope you don't have too much of a hangover tomorrow.

 

[Jason43]

Re: 60 year old offs himself in a meticulous manner. Lays out his life and logic on website. INTP or other?

He strikes me as INTJ, certainly has introverted feelings, he says

"I'm sure I've embarrassed dozens (if not hundreds) of people I was with at various times in my life. I was oblivious to most of it, but even if I knew I was an embarrassment... I wouldn't have cared. I'm sure I thought, or would have thought, that was their problem, not mine."

He could be ISTJ or INTJ but is certainly one or the other. I'd say INTJ because he seems to value independence above traditional values.

 

[Duxwing]

Re: 60 year old offs himself in a meticulous manner. Lays out his life and logic on website. INTP or other?

He seems to be a narcissist who wanted to achieve immortality by publicizing his death and could not face the grisly consequences of aging. His descriptions of the last months of his life detail a depression that he adamantly denied in his thesis. I see nothing special: just a broken human being.

-Duxwing

 

[Beat Mango]

Re: 60 year old offs himself in a meticulous manner. Lays out his life and logic on website. INTP or other?

Still something sordid about suicide. "Now that I can picture myself with a hole in my head"... there's some real angst.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Re: 60 year old offs himself in a meticulous manner. Lays out his life and logic on website. INTP or other?

Yeah, this was posted as a thread here last week.

Regrem....

REGREM!!!