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At last, the usual contrarian post from pornotator. I am not singling me out either, though I am spinning the op into my observations. Yes by saying someone is incorrect, see you post here, you are attempting to validate you're own position by diminishing the the other's. The nature of forum debate usually btw... I have never claimed to transcend anything, herd included--self evident since I am here. The question "what is wrong with you" automatically assumes a divergence from perceived normalcy. There is nothing wrong with me, nor the motivation of the original post. What is wrong is that you ignore the applied peer pressure inherent in most of the threads, and you choose often some follow up poster as a basis for your own ad hominem attacks on irrelevant details you choose to make central.
I'm having a hard time following this stream of consciousness you've posted. Let me just summarize my view:

- I have no problem with the OP.
- You have a tendency to contrast yourself with the plebeian masses.
- You are missing the point, as kris said.
- Your description of "90% of the posts here" is inaccurate.
 

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I agree with the OP 100%. I get really excited to come on this site and read something that I can relate to or possibly even contribute to. However, after about 5 minutes I see every post has 5 pages of total BS Rhetoric that makes ZERO sense after it and I close out and move on. A lot of people on here strive to impress with just how INTP they really are. It's pretty annoying.

The irony is, this whole thread did just that.
 

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lurkers be coming out of the woodwork :storks:
perhaps this thread explains why there are more lurkers than participants

I go back a forth in cycles of hating this place and wanting more content. Some times it's fun when a noob comes on here with their crusade. Although the walls of text people really need to learn how to shorten down their posts or make them appear less daunting.
 

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Be the change you want to see in INTPf


I see many people complaining about not finding things stimulating or intellectual enough, yet what have they attempted to do about it
 

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They could at least try to be into homoerotic anime.
 

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This site is interesting in the way it acts as common ground for all of us. For the most part, we don't have many traditional shared interests. There are consistent overlaps, for sure, but generally not in terms of passion. This isn't a Naruto fan site, a forum for aspiring writers, or a sports blog. What most of us have in common when we arrive here is that we share similar problems due to how we interact with the world and the relative scarcity of people who react the same way. We feel misunderstood (or entirely unheard).

For that, this place serves its purpose. But what happens when we stop feeling so backed up? We're more than just analysts. Most of us want to DO something in the world, and the varied interests of our fellow INTPs mean that this forum isn't built for that. Once you feel heard, have your opinion recognized, or just feel acknowledged for pieces of you that don't get much attention elsewhere, what's next? Maybe you'll find another outlet that this forum serves or maybe you'll just move on. Do what addresses your next need but don't leave for good. You're always welcome.
 

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I'm having a hard time following this stream of consciousness you've posted. Let me just summarize my view:

- I have no problem with the OP.
- You have a tendency to contrast yourself with the plebeian masses.
- You are missing the point, as kris said.
- Your description of "90% of the posts here" is inaccurate.
Your view reviewed contrasting my own:

Point 1, agreed
Point 2, agreed
Point 3, disagree
Point 4, unscientific percentage I agree, but the gist is accurate so conceptually disagree



Is this the level of conversation you can follow? Simple bullet points?
 

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Simplified for your consumption: kris isn't your baby sister, let him state his own points/counter points. If you ever have an original thought, I would champion your right to it. It would be refreshing contrasted to your usual hair splitting ambush.

Is this the level of conversation you can follow? Simple bullet points?
 

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Be oneself. Get mauled. Reexamine oneself. Change. Conform. Be oneself. Rise again. Get mauled again. Change. Fit in. Don't fit in. It's a process. Does it matter? Yes it does. No it doesn't.

I really liked this post :D
 

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Your original question was to ask "what is wrong with me". This is how a member of a herd singles out someone with a non-herd pov.
Oddly enough, it's also what an individual says when they think a comment is profoundly fatuous. Doesn't actually matter if I said it as the product of herd mentality or as an individual; what matters is that you're not in a position to comment on my motives.

I guess that's the heart of the issue. What you have in front of you is behaviour which could be the result of more than one motive or cause. Mysteriously you arrive at a conclusion on motive, yet there's no clear path as to how or why you've reached a conclusion.

It's the vacuity of it that gets to me. Normally I'd let it alone, but the post was also disparaging. One or the other is fine, but both in combination seems to be a bit much.

Applying peer pressure as it were.
I'm not pressuring you into doing anything. I thought your post was quite poor. I offered a reason as to why.

One can be a part of a forum without necessarily be part of the groups(s) that make up the forum community.
Never said anything to the contrary.

90% of the posts here...
No.

...have more to do with young people trying to learn themselves and nothing to do with being intp. While it is that they often couch the self examination with qualifiers like "do all intp dislike toads", the fact is the poster dislikes toads and is looking for acceptance/affirmation that he is either within the intp stereotype or his weirdness is ok with the herd.
To your point that the hyperbolic "90%" was a fair characterization (elsewhere in the thread), no. It's an impression of yours, but what follows is not "fact"; it's speculation on motive. It's very.... fuzzy. Some examples of threads with "Do other INTP [x behaviour]" will fit your speculation while others will not, but my suspicion is that you've lumped them all together.

The herd, if accepting, will discuss the topic as reasonable or valid.
You've embedded your conclusion in your premise. That is also how individuals would behave in the same scenario. If you reduce it to something binary -- accept or do not accept -- then by default, no group larger than two can have all unique opinions. Agreement occurs regardless of the presence of herd mentality. There are many variables behind why majority or minority dynamics may arise, and herd mindset is but one possible variable.

While that's not the extent of my problems with the example of herd mentality you've provided, I'll stop there for the moment.

So rather than simply dismissing you and a young and ignorant Fe, I will give you and alternative thought and assume your Ti exists
Why would you be compelled to dismiss me on the basis of age or type at all? More importantly, why would I need to be treated as Ti? Does the validity of your position vary based on my type? Or, despite how you dislike herds, would a true Scotsman... er, INTP like you simply not want to explain to other types?
 

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"I don't feel as if I fit in here"

http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=19455


I can sort of relate. Further down the thread there is someone who says "It's all about common interest" or whatever.



This forum seems slow. Sometimes boring.


I could go to 4chan but that gets boring.


This is a rant. I think...
 

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Re: "I don't feel as if I fit in here"

Don't wait for others to make things happen.
Take initiative.
 

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kris said:
You've embedded your conclusion in your premise.

Why would you be compelled to dismiss me on the basis of age or type at all? More importantly, why would I need to be treated as Ti? Does the validity of your position vary based on my type? Or, despite how you dislike herds, would a true Scotsman... er, INTP like you simply not want to explain to other types?

Bravo +1


A herd consist of those that move voluntarily, those that move to keep up, and those that move despite knowing better. I am part of this herd, and I dislike being so. Concluding that my motives are similar to any motive is cogent. that someone would leave a herd causes anxiety within the herd. I simply pointed to one conclusion. I am never wedded to such. Your defense is valid.
 

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I completely agree with Shoeless. Though I do lurk instead of leaving completely. Usually the thread starts out interesting and is followed by mindless (or too thoughtful) rambling which is boring except for those involved.
 

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I completely agree with Shoeless. Though I do lurk instead of leaving completely. Usually the thread starts out interesting and is followed by mindless (or too thoughtful) rambling which is boring except for those involved.
Too little mind, to much mind, where is the right amount of mind? Maybe grayman has the answer....
 

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I completely agree with Shoeless. Though I do lurk instead of leaving completely. Usually the thread starts out interesting and is followed by mindless (or too thoughtful) rambling which is boring except for those involved.
 

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Cliff notes:
Answer questions about typology within the context of the established theories. Whether you do or do not think the system is a valid system to evaluate personality, it does not help a newbie understand the framework/system/process intricacies. Perhaps it will be a newbie that designs a system that can create the empirical proof to evaluate personality.


If you want better content on the site ...


Ramblings:

One thing to consider is that people that seem to think they are a thinker type usually think they are the smartest person in the room. When they log into this site maybe they think their ideas are not put together well enough when people dismiss their rhetoric. Possibly their are lots of users that learn by brainstorming and vomit their ideas in threads. Older more experienced typology "students" shut them down by ignoring them because their "logic" is broken or ideas called nonsense.

Stop looking to others to entertain you. If you want better content on the site, create it and bring it here.
 

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Also, feeling left out is a normal case of inferior Fe.
 

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Well, doesn't the OP somewhat describe issues that INTP's generally have with the world at large? INTP's tend to find lots of things redundant and/or pointless, being that they like to view everything in terms of what is logically correct, sans distractionary content (let's call it fluff). What constitutes as fluff would likely vary from person to person - let alone within a collection of INTP's who are known for their stark desire to individuate from others. So it seems almost obvious that there'd be some dissent over people being too..."fluffy".

Then you have take into account the pull of inferior Fe, which contrasts the desire for individuation with the desire for acceptance and harmony. Given this dynamic, it's almost a given that a community of people who identify with being INTP - would naturally switch between loving and hating the forum. Especially during periods of personal growth or stagnation that would seemingly exacerbate the issue. Someone looking for logical or emotional validation in a forum for INTP's is looking in the wrong place if you ask me. Maybe even the worst place.

Then of course there's a lot of factors to take into account regarding ages, personal experiences and motivations for joining the forum. In spite of this, It does seem at the very least there's one little bit of common ground that the majority of people here can identify with, which is that feeling of isolation and disconnection from the outside world.
 

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I have a similar dilemma.


All the other forums I find dull and boring, or I just don't fit in.

Here I can fit in ( I like to think I can) but there seems to be this intellectual barrier that prevents me from discussing many things. Which can make this forum boring.
 

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The best example of this forum is that a topic like this generated this many (85+) thoughtful responses.

I get run out of most forums on a rail eventually. My posts are too different, or controversial or whatever. Like in life most boards get filled with S types I think. Even INTP groups, like INTP Forum can suffer from groupism (though the reboot seems to be better).
 
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But what happens when we stop feeling so backed up? We're more than just analysts. Most of us want to DO something in the world, and the varied interests of our fellow INTPs mean that this forum isn't built for that. Once you feel heard, have your opinion recognized, or just feel acknowledged for pieces of you that don't get much attention elsewhere, what's next? Maybe you'll find another outlet that this forum serves or maybe you'll just move on. Do what addresses your next need but don't leave for good. You're always welcome.
^Best post ITT and it gets drowned in.... whatever that stuff is. ;)
 

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If one posts on this Forum does that mean one has "joined" it? Where is this "joining"? Am I joined to anyone or am I still me?

Hello Forum! Hello. Are you there? Hello. Anyone out there that represents the Forum as a whole? I don't believe it. Not true. There are a few ... or more than a few posters here. So? Where is this "joining"? I happen to have happened by one day and stayed to linger. What does that mean?
 
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